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Let’s be honest here: how many workplaces would allow a random engineer to broadcast a gender critical rant on their internal network? People get fired for les

Let’s be honest here: how many workplaces would allow a random engineer to broadcast a gender critical rant on their internal network? People get fired for less than that. Damore was, and rightly so.

sickofparadox 3y ago
You should look at what he actually said - it was not some anti-woman screed like you may think. The overall goal of the paper AFAIR was to examine why (then) current diversity programs were not achieving the desired results and how to address that from beyond the lens of inherent bias. Its very short, you could read it over a single cup of coffee! https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideol...
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  It does not matter what the contents are. I could post the most scientific accurate post about IQ differences correlated to ethnicities, and get fired for it, because it's just not work appropriate.
  - xiphias2 3y ago
    For many years before that we (Googlers) were incentivized to mix work and life: Do you really think playing pool,foosball, guitar hero, eating dinner at 18:30 when work hours end at 17:00, bringing kids to workplace on weekends to play, sleeping at the workplace, bringing laptops with you / being oncall when not working are work appropriate? The problem was specifically not agreeing with democrat US politics, which is relevant to what's happening, nothing else.
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      > Do you really think playing pool,foosball, guitar hero, eating dinner at 18:30 when work hours end at 17:00, bringing kids to workplace on weekends to play, sleeping at the workplace, bringing laptops with you / being oncall when not working are work appropriate? Since it is the company the one setting all that up, why don't you bring it up with them? Regardless, US companies are more than happy to have employees working for them 24/7, and they seem to be getting away with it. In general, they dislike when employees bring inflammatory rhetoric into the workplace. I invite you to join any Fortune 500 company and try what this guy did. Rest assured, they will not fire you because of who you vote, but they will fire you nevertheless.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
See, the indignation of him being allegedly sexist is a pre-judgement (it is unlikely for that matter, but irrelevant). This is the reality in the business world, I get it. But then you cannot turn around and try to school people about prejudice. That is a severe contradiction. That the rules of PR demand his firing, is to fulfill emotional needs of people that formerly maybe would go witch hunting. Nothing better to do, I guess. So yeah, let us be honest indeed. If something needs work, it isn't Damore, it is indeed this indignant culture. And it would be trivial to change too.

sickofparadox 3y ago

You should look at what he actually said - it was not some anti-woman screed like you may think. The overall goal of the paper AFAIR was to examine why (then) current diversity programs were not achieving the desired results and how to address that from beyond the lens of inherent bias. Its very short, you could read it over a single cup of coffee! https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideol...

manuelabeledo 3y ago
It does not matter what the contents are. I could post the most scientific accurate post about IQ differences correlated to ethnicities, and get fired for it, because it's just not work appropriate.
- xiphias2 3y ago
  For many years before that we (Googlers) were incentivized to mix work and life: Do you really think playing pool,foosball, guitar hero, eating dinner at 18:30 when work hours end at 17:00, bringing kids to workplace on weekends to play, sleeping at the workplace, bringing laptops with you / being oncall when not working are work appropriate? The problem was specifically not agreeing with democrat US politics, which is relevant to what's happening, nothing else.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    > Do you really think playing pool,foosball, guitar hero, eating dinner at 18:30 when work hours end at 17:00, bringing kids to workplace on weekends to play, sleeping at the workplace, bringing laptops with you / being oncall when not working are work appropriate? Since it is the company the one setting all that up, why don't you bring it up with them? Regardless, US companies are more than happy to have employees working for them 24/7, and they seem to be getting away with it. In general, they dislike when employees bring inflammatory rhetoric into the workplace. I invite you to join any Fortune 500 company and try what this guy did. Rest assured, they will not fire you because of who you vote, but they will fire you nevertheless.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

See, the indignation of him being allegedly sexist is a pre-judgement (it is unlikely for that matter, but irrelevant). This is the reality in the business world, I get it. But then you cannot turn around and try to school people about prejudice. That is a severe contradiction. That the rules of PR demand his firing, is to fulfill emotional needs of people that formerly maybe would go witch hunting. Nothing better to do, I guess. So yeah, let us be honest indeed. If something needs work, it isn't Damore, it is indeed this indignant culture. And it would be trivial to change too.