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Who is "they"? Cite your sources and show your work.

by ynniv 3y ago

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Majestic121 3y ago
From the article, "they" obviously implies the Houthis
- ynniv 3y ago
  If you want to understand why something happened, you'll need to look a lot deeper than that. Asking why the Houthis would cut a cable is accepting the assumption that they did.
  - pjc50 3y ago
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68231945 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68231945 (note date)
    - ynniv 3y ago
      Could the Houthis sabotage these lines? They almost certainly would if they could. ... but they can't so they shan't? Lol, a bit light on reasoning. "There is nothing I've seen in the Iranian orbat (Order of Battle) that could touch these cables, certainly not their submarines," says former Royal Navy Cdr Tom Sharpe. "Diving is an option but it's deep and busy so I think it would be pushing it," he says. Concurring with Rear Adm Gower, Cdr Sharpe says: "I think this is a bluff." ... "In conclusion, the threat made recently by the Houthis on their Telegram channel would be hard to carry out. It would be both technically challenging and politically risky for Iran, whose hand the West sees in all the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea." Wait, which side is this arguing?
  - stevenAthompson 3y ago
    You will note that I did not, in fact, ask about "the Houthis". I feel like your issue is not with my question. It is with a strawman that only you can perceive.
batch12 3y ago
There's gotta be a term for trying to shut down a conversation by forcing the person to appeal to authority for every thought. Not quite sealioning. Maybe walrusing.
bee_rider 3y ago
Do you have an objection to the theory proposed in the article we’re already discussing?
- ynniv 3y ago
  Yes, the article doesn't even attempt to provide evidence: Three months after the Houthis began attacking merchant ships, the Yemenite rebels have carried out another one of their threats. "Globes" has learned that four submarine communication cables have been damaged in the Red Sea between Jeddah in Saudi Arabia and Djibouti in East Africa. It's their prerogative to publish whatever they like, and it's our prerogative to believe what we like, but if you want to actually understand something you'll need to be more rigorous than that.

Who is "they"? Cite your sources and show your work.

by ynniv 3y ago

Who is "they"? Cite your sources and show your work.

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Majestic121 3y ago

From the article, "they" obviously implies the Houthis

ynniv 3y ago
If you want to understand why something happened, you'll need to look a lot deeper than that. Asking why the Houthis would cut a cable is accepting the assumption that they did.
- pjc50 3y ago
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68231945 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68231945 (note date)
  - ynniv 3y ago
    Could the Houthis sabotage these lines? They almost certainly would if they could. ... but they can't so they shan't? Lol, a bit light on reasoning. "There is nothing I've seen in the Iranian orbat (Order of Battle) that could touch these cables, certainly not their submarines," says former Royal Navy Cdr Tom Sharpe. "Diving is an option but it's deep and busy so I think it would be pushing it," he says. Concurring with Rear Adm Gower, Cdr Sharpe says: "I think this is a bluff." ... "In conclusion, the threat made recently by the Houthis on their Telegram channel would be hard to carry out. It would be both technically challenging and politically risky for Iran, whose hand the West sees in all the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea." Wait, which side is this arguing?
- stevenAthompson 3y ago
  You will note that I did not, in fact, ask about "the Houthis". I feel like your issue is not with my question. It is with a strawman that only you can perceive.

batch12 3y ago

There's gotta be a term for trying to shut down a conversation by forcing the person to appeal to authority for every thought. Not quite sealioning. Maybe walrusing.

bee_rider 3y ago

Do you have an objection to the theory proposed in the article we’re already discussing?

ynniv 3y ago
Yes, the article doesn't even attempt to provide evidence: Three months after the Houthis began attacking merchant ships, the Yemenite rebels have carried out another one of their threats. "Globes" has learned that four submarine communication cables have been damaged in the Red Sea between Jeddah in Saudi Arabia and Djibouti in East Africa. It's their prerogative to publish whatever they like, and it's our prerogative to believe what we like, but if you want to actually understand something you'll need to be more rigorous than that.