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Sort of open > You can join Blender Studio for €11.50/month and get access to all of our training & film content instantly! I get that there's costs involved

by wdfx 3y ago

Sort of open > You can join Blender Studio for €11.50/month and get access to all of our training & film content instantly! I get that there's costs involved in the content development and distribution, and payment for content is going to a great cause ... but this doesn't seem as "open" as the initial film releases originally were?

EMIRELADERO 3y ago
The final product is free. They're charging for the production repo/file access. Open-source software doesn't stop being so just because access to the source code is paywalled, as long as it has an OSI-approved license.
- IanCal 3y ago
  The files and assets of the older movies were I'm sure released fully openly, I've not been tracking them for some time though.
- wdfx 3y ago
  I do agree - but back when Sintel was produced, I could just download all the assets as well for free and without (a rather expensive) subscription. I was just a bit surprised how that had changed, given the history of Blender with being traditionally very open and free-of-charge.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    It is not expensive if you download everything in one month. They are probably be also available legally via torrents. Additionally if they aren't already available as torrents you can download them all, host them and sell access at a much cheaper rate and I am pretty sure you would come even quite quickly. If they are open source, this is legal.
  - EMIRELADERO 3y ago
    I personally think it's a great compromise.
  - a-saleh 3y ago
    i.d.k. 11$/month sounds ... reasonable? And nothing prevents you to buy a hard-drive, download it all, and sit on that stash, unsubcribe and learn from that. If subscription ever becomes necessary to run Blender, I am picking up my pich-fork, until then, money well earned.
- lol768 3y ago
  > The final product is free. They're charging for the production repo/file access. Yes, and no. You used to be able to download the final cut in nice 1080p/4k. Sintel, you could download the final thing in completely uncompressed 4k TIFFs if you wanted to, and the audio in FLAC. Nowadays they just get released on YouTube and you have no control over the quality / bitrate it uses. It's a shame.
- nl 3y ago
  > Open-source software doesn't stop being so just because access to the source code is paywalled, as long as it has an OSI-approved license. Whilst this is true, all OSI-licenses give others the ability to redistribute that code, and that doesn't appear to be the case here.
  - EMIRELADERO 3y ago
    It is. From https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ Everything you find in Blender Cloud is either GNU GPL compliant software, or creative content that's licensed as Creative Commons. We use three CC licenses here: CC-BY:A permissive license that allows any re-use for as long you give a fair credit. It's the default license. If you don't see an explicit license mention on a web page, you can assume the works is CC-BY. CC-0:This is similar to Public Domain. We want to license low level assets (textures, props) as CC0 as much as possible. CC-BY-SA:The copyleft license. Any re-use is fine for as long you share it under the same (compatible) license. We use this for works we want to remain part of Free Culture.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  Can the paywalled assets be redistributed?
  - EMIRELADERO 3y ago
    Yes. https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ Everything you find in Blender Cloud is either GNU GPL compliant software, or creative content that's licensed as Creative Commons. We use three CC licenses here: CC-BY:A permissive license that allows any re-use for as long you give a fair credit. It's the default license. If you don't see an explicit license mention on a web page, you can assume the works is CC-BY. CC-0:This is similar to Public Domain. We want to license low level assets (textures, props) as CC0 as much as possible. CC-BY-SA:The copyleft license. Any re-use is fine for as long you share it under the same (compatible) license. We use this for works we want to remain part of Free Culture.
IanCal 3y ago
Huh, I feel like some of the older ones were fully released with all assets openly licensed but they're also locked away now.
- Phemist 3y ago
  The production assets being behind their cloud paywall has at least been the case since 2016, if we are to believe the timestamps. https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/65659/how-to-download-sintel-files https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/65659/how-to-dow...
a-saleh 3y ago
If you look at the assets ... it seems all of it still is CC-BY licenced, even if you need a subscription to download them. So free as in speech, not as in beer, I guess?
- remram 3y ago
  In what sense is it "free as in speech"? I don't understand this analogy. Freedom of speech refers to not having to fear retaliation for speaking. By that definition, Autodesk Maya is free as in speech, as in Autodesk doesn't get prosecuted for selling it (under all-rights-reserved license, EULA, and yearly subscription).
  - a-saleh 3y ago
    I am vaguely quoting open-source advocates. It is in the actual license of those assets - you gain access to their sources and you are allowed to share them under Creative Commons license. You could think of it as a next step beyond DRM-free. Specifics can vary - CC licenses can range from indistinguishable from public domain, through you-can-modify-only-if-you-share to fairly restrictive share-don't-modify. Some want you to credit the author, some don't. But - most importantly - there is nothing about preventing author to sell their work with that kind of license. So the license makes it free as in free-speech - you can share it as much as you like, not as in free-beer - that you are entitled to receive the thing.

by wdfx 3y ago

EMIRELADERO 3y ago

The final product is free. They're charging for the production repo/file access. Open-source software doesn't stop being so just because access to the source code is paywalled, as long as it has an OSI-approved license.

IanCal 3y ago
The files and assets of the older movies were I'm sure released fully openly, I've not been tracking them for some time though.
wdfx 3y ago
I do agree - but back when Sintel was produced, I could just download all the assets as well for free and without (a rather expensive) subscription. I was just a bit surprised how that had changed, given the history of Blender with being traditionally very open and free-of-charge.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  It is not expensive if you download everything in one month. They are probably be also available legally via torrents. Additionally if they aren't already available as torrents you can download them all, host them and sell access at a much cheaper rate and I am pretty sure you would come even quite quickly. If they are open source, this is legal.
- EMIRELADERO 3y ago
  I personally think it's a great compromise.
- a-saleh 3y ago
  i.d.k. 11$/month sounds ... reasonable? And nothing prevents you to buy a hard-drive, download it all, and sit on that stash, unsubcribe and learn from that. If subscription ever becomes necessary to run Blender, I am picking up my pich-fork, until then, money well earned.
lol768 3y ago
> The final product is free. They're charging for the production repo/file access. Yes, and no. You used to be able to download the final cut in nice 1080p/4k. Sintel, you could download the final thing in completely uncompressed 4k TIFFs if you wanted to, and the audio in FLAC. Nowadays they just get released on YouTube and you have no control over the quality / bitrate it uses. It's a shame.
nl 3y ago
> Open-source software doesn't stop being so just because access to the source code is paywalled, as long as it has an OSI-approved license. Whilst this is true, all OSI-licenses give others the ability to redistribute that code, and that doesn't appear to be the case here.
- EMIRELADERO 3y ago
  It is. From https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ Everything you find in Blender Cloud is either GNU GPL compliant software, or creative content that's licensed as Creative Commons. We use three CC licenses here: CC-BY:A permissive license that allows any re-use for as long you give a fair credit. It's the default license. If you don't see an explicit license mention on a web page, you can assume the works is CC-BY. CC-0:This is similar to Public Domain. We want to license low level assets (textures, props) as CC0 as much as possible. CC-BY-SA:The copyleft license. Any re-use is fine for as long you share it under the same (compatible) license. We use this for works we want to remain part of Free Culture.
Wowfunhappy 3y ago
Can the paywalled assets be redistributed?
- EMIRELADERO 3y ago
  Yes. https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ https://studio.blender.org/blog/blender-cloud-v3/ Everything you find in Blender Cloud is either GNU GPL compliant software, or creative content that's licensed as Creative Commons. We use three CC licenses here: CC-BY:A permissive license that allows any re-use for as long you give a fair credit. It's the default license. If you don't see an explicit license mention on a web page, you can assume the works is CC-BY. CC-0:This is similar to Public Domain. We want to license low level assets (textures, props) as CC0 as much as possible. CC-BY-SA:The copyleft license. Any re-use is fine for as long you share it under the same (compatible) license. We use this for works we want to remain part of Free Culture.

IanCal 3y ago

Huh, I feel like some of the older ones were fully released with all assets openly licensed but they're also locked away now.

Phemist 3y ago
The production assets being behind their cloud paywall has at least been the case since 2016, if we are to believe the timestamps. https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/65659/how-to-download-sintel-files https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/65659/how-to-dow...

a-saleh 3y ago

If you look at the assets ... it seems all of it still is CC-BY licenced, even if you need a subscription to download them. So free as in speech, not as in beer, I guess?

remram 3y ago
In what sense is it "free as in speech"? I don't understand this analogy. Freedom of speech refers to not having to fear retaliation for speaking. By that definition, Autodesk Maya is free as in speech, as in Autodesk doesn't get prosecuted for selling it (under all-rights-reserved license, EULA, and yearly subscription).
- a-saleh 3y ago
  I am vaguely quoting open-source advocates. It is in the actual license of those assets - you gain access to their sources and you are allowed to share them under Creative Commons license. You could think of it as a next step beyond DRM-free. Specifics can vary - CC licenses can range from indistinguishable from public domain, through you-can-modify-only-if-you-share to fairly restrictive share-don't-modify. Some want you to credit the author, some don't. But - most importantly - there is nothing about preventing author to sell their work with that kind of license. So the license makes it free as in free-speech - you can share it as much as you like, not as in free-beer - that you are entitled to receive the thing.