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>Due to Microsoft mandating people to have an online connection and a Microsoft account for Windows 11 (at the OOBE stage), any version over Windows 10 will not

>Due to Microsoft mandating people to have an online connection and a Microsoft account for Windows 11 (at the OOBE stage), any version over Windows 10 will not be supported. No they don't, bullshit. I agree with the sentiment that MS should just have a button but don't lie like this. I mean it's hidden, but there is a sign in method or OOBE\BYPASSNRO or burn the ISO with Rufus. https://www.ghacks.net/2023/01/26/how-to-bypass-the-microsoft-account-requirement-during-windows-setup/ https://www.ghacks.net/2023/01/26/how-to-bypass-the-microsof... Use the email address no@thankyou.com. Type any password on the next screen. Windows will display "Oops, something went wrong" on the next screen. Clicking Next opens a screen that allows you to create a local account.

BlueTemplar 3y ago
We shouldn't have to jump through Microsoft's hoops that might or might not work. I wouldn't support any Windows version other than 7 (and even that one, only for legacy software). (Not to mention that Windows 11 requires specific hardware : a "Trusted Platform Module", which comes with its own ethical can of worms, and which the previous generation of desktop AMD processors doesn't have.)
- Unfrozen0688 3y ago
  I agree. But 7 is outright dangerous to have internet connected, I hope you are not using it or recommending others to use Win7 my god. The TPM shit can also be bypassed but yes I don't like it either.
  - BlueTemplar 3y ago
    Why wouldn't I use it (for games) ? BTW Microsoft still does monthly security updates for it.
    - Unfrozen0688 3y ago
      No ESU has ended. https://www.zdnet.com/article/say-goodbye-to-windows-7-as-microsoft-ends-extended-support/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/say-goodbye-to-windows-7-as-mi...
      - BlueTemplar 3y ago
        What are those patches then ? They claim to be security-related.
        Unfrozen0688 3y ago
        Yes, ESU is extended Windows Update. But it ran out for Windows 7 in 2023.
        BlueTemplar 3y ago
        Ah, found it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_Software_Removal_Tool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_Software_Removal_Too... > Despite Microsoft ending general support for the Windows 7 operating system in 2020, updates are still provided to Windows 7 users via the standard Windows Update delivery mechanism. And still are (for now). Of course : > MSRT does not offer real-time protection. It scans its host computer for specific, widespread malware, and tries to eliminate the infection.
        Unfrozen0688 3y ago
        That is antivirus updates delivered over Windows Update, not Windows Security Updates.
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    - fearedbliss 3y ago
      You definitely should continue to use Windows 7 (for games in an offline capacity). Nothing wrong with that and it's exactly what you should be doing for gaming with old games. I legally own Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows 10 Pro, and use both of them for playing my old (and wonderful) collection of games. It's the same thing you would do either with just owning a Gameboy/N64/PS1/PS2, etc, or for the desktop case, trying to emulate old hardware on X platform. The former here is more applicable than the latter of course, but both are perfectly valid when speaking about systems used in an offline capacity.
fearedbliss 3y ago
I added the following to the latest Cactus documentation updates: - Added sources links related to Microsoft requiring online activation during Windows 11's OOBE stage to the "Windows 11+ will not be supported" section of the Cactus documentation. I will not accept the premise that I need to use a Microsoft Account, or require online activation at the OOBE stage, for me to use my own computer, and I definitely won't accept the use of "workarounds" to bypass that requirement as a justification to use that OS. That requirement should not be there in the first place. This is the same thing Microsoft already forces people to do on the Xbox One. When you first buy the console, one of the first things you need to do is log into their servers. Your console is useless until you do that. That's unacceptable. I'm not surprised they are moving in that direction with Windows in general, and I'm not accepting it. - Source 1 - February 16, 2022 - Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22557 - https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/02/16/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22557/ ``` Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights. ``` - Source 2 - May 5, 2022 - Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22616 - https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/05/05/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22616/ ``` Previously, we shared new requirements for internet and MSA on the Windows 11 Pro edition. Today, Windows Insiders on Windows 11 Pro edition will now require MSA and internet connectivity during the initial device setup (OOBE) only when setting up for personal use. If you choose to setup device for Work or School, there is no change, and it will work the same way as before. ```

BlueTemplar 3y ago

We shouldn't have to jump through Microsoft's hoops that might or might not work. I wouldn't support any Windows version other than 7 (and even that one, only for legacy software). (Not to mention that Windows 11 requires specific hardware : a "Trusted Platform Module", which comes with its own ethical can of worms, and which the previous generation of desktop AMD processors doesn't have.)

Unfrozen0688 3y ago
I agree. But 7 is outright dangerous to have internet connected, I hope you are not using it or recommending others to use Win7 my god. The TPM shit can also be bypassed but yes I don't like it either.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  Why wouldn't I use it (for games) ? BTW Microsoft still does monthly security updates for it.
  - Unfrozen0688 3y ago
    No ESU has ended. https://www.zdnet.com/article/say-goodbye-to-windows-7-as-microsoft-ends-extended-support/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/say-goodbye-to-windows-7-as-mi...
    - BlueTemplar 3y ago
      What are those patches then ? They claim to be security-related.
      - Unfrozen0688 3y ago
        Yes, ESU is extended Windows Update. But it ran out for Windows 7 in 2023.
        BlueTemplar 3y ago
        Ah, found it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_Software_Removal_Tool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_Software_Removal_Too... > Despite Microsoft ending general support for the Windows 7 operating system in 2020, updates are still provided to Windows 7 users via the standard Windows Update delivery mechanism. And still are (for now). Of course : > MSRT does not offer real-time protection. It scans its host computer for specific, widespread malware, and tries to eliminate the infection.
        Unfrozen0688 3y ago
        That is antivirus updates delivered over Windows Update, not Windows Security Updates.
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  - fearedbliss 3y ago
    You definitely should continue to use Windows 7 (for games in an offline capacity). Nothing wrong with that and it's exactly what you should be doing for gaming with old games. I legally own Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows 10 Pro, and use both of them for playing my old (and wonderful) collection of games. It's the same thing you would do either with just owning a Gameboy/N64/PS1/PS2, etc, or for the desktop case, trying to emulate old hardware on X platform. The former here is more applicable than the latter of course, but both are perfectly valid when speaking about systems used in an offline capacity.

fearedbliss 3y ago

I added the following to the latest Cactus documentation updates: - Added sources links related to Microsoft requiring online activation during Windows 11's OOBE stage to the "Windows 11+ will not be supported" section of the Cactus documentation. I will not accept the premise that I need to use a Microsoft Account, or require online activation at the OOBE stage, for me to use my own computer, and I definitely won't accept the use of "workarounds" to bypass that requirement as a justification to use that OS. That requirement should not be there in the first place. This is the same thing Microsoft already forces people to do on the Xbox One. When you first buy the console, one of the first things you need to do is log into their servers. Your console is useless until you do that. That's unacceptable. I'm not surprised they are moving in that direction with Windows in general, and I'm not accepting it. - Source 1 - February 16, 2022 - Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22557 - https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/02/16/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22557/ ``` Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights. ``` - Source 2 - May 5, 2022 - Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22616 - https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/05/05/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22616/ ``` Previously, we shared new requirements for internet and MSA on the Windows 11 Pro edition. Today, Windows Insiders on Windows 11 Pro edition will now require MSA and internet connectivity during the initial device setup (OOBE) only when setting up for personal use. If you choose to setup device for Work or School, there is no change, and it will work the same way as before. ```