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Got it. So we are calling all algorithms programmed to do recommendations AI now.

d1sxeyes 3y ago
I think the jury is still out on whether any type of intelligence is anything but highly-complex algorithms. Where do you think the line should be drawn?
- Timber-6539 3y ago
  Could start with self awareness/identify formation or even self determination but that's too high a bar for AI.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    You are making up tons of unsubstantiated claims with no data or reasoning. What reason is self awareness needed for an agent to be intelligent? What do you mean by 'self-determination'. Figuring out the rest of it's life?, or just being given a goal and choosing it's own path to get there.
    - Timber-6539 3y ago
      > What reason is self awareness needed for an agent to be intelligent? Because some of you daydreamers are convinced AI will replace human intelligence one day. It is important to define and contextualize intelligence. I gave some of the qualities of what AI is up against (human intelligence). That's why it is important for AI to be capable of achieving at least some of these qualities before claiming the world as we know it is coming to an end.
  - tanseydavid 3y ago
    I am willing to bet that people will still be arguing about self-awareness and consciousness (or lack of) with AI long, long after it has stolen huge swaths human employment.
    - Timber-6539 3y ago
      There's no evidence that AI is capable of replacing human intelligence. Seems hype is the sole driving reason for such arguments.
rsynnott 3y ago
This has gone back and forth over the last 70 or so years, depending on whether we're currently in AI bubble, or in the aftermath of one. "ML" was pretty much a euphemism, coming in after "AI" became unspeakable after the last big bubble. Remember "fuzzy logic"? That was essentially another one.
boshalfoshal 3y ago
Well I would classify ML, DL, statistical learning, etc. as "AI," yes. I would consider Waymo for example to be an "AI" system under a lose definition. Do you mean AI as in (proto) AGI? I think we might have slightly different notions about the definition.

I think the jury is still out on whether any type of intelligence is anything but highly-complex algorithms. Where do you think the line should be drawn?

Timber-6539 3y ago
Could start with self awareness/identify formation or even self determination but that's too high a bar for AI.
- pixl97 3y ago
  You are making up tons of unsubstantiated claims with no data or reasoning. What reason is self awareness needed for an agent to be intelligent? What do you mean by 'self-determination'. Figuring out the rest of it's life?, or just being given a goal and choosing it's own path to get there.
  - Timber-6539 3y ago
    > What reason is self awareness needed for an agent to be intelligent? Because some of you daydreamers are convinced AI will replace human intelligence one day. It is important to define and contextualize intelligence. I gave some of the qualities of what AI is up against (human intelligence). That's why it is important for AI to be capable of achieving at least some of these qualities before claiming the world as we know it is coming to an end.
- tanseydavid 3y ago
  I am willing to bet that people will still be arguing about self-awareness and consciousness (or lack of) with AI long, long after it has stolen huge swaths human employment.
  - Timber-6539 3y ago
    There's no evidence that AI is capable of replacing human intelligence. Seems hype is the sole driving reason for such arguments.

rsynnott 3y ago

This has gone back and forth over the last 70 or so years, depending on whether we're currently in AI bubble, or in the aftermath of one. "ML" was pretty much a euphemism, coming in after "AI" became unspeakable after the last big bubble. Remember "fuzzy logic"? That was essentially another one.

boshalfoshal 3y ago

Well I would classify ML, DL, statistical learning, etc. as "AI," yes. I would consider Waymo for example to be an "AI" system under a lose definition. Do you mean AI as in (proto) AGI? I think we might have slightly different notions about the definition.