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So if I want to migrate off of netlify to something better, where?

by triyambakam 3y ago

dhaavi 3y ago
Depending on your use case, Hetzner is as cheap as it gets while retaining high quality.
maxboone 3y ago
CloudFlare Pages/ Workers is pretty nice
dalenw 3y ago
I've always been a fan of cloudflare or firebase for static sites.
INTPenis 3y ago
I use AWS, S3, Cloudfront, ACM with a budget alert.
apsurd 3y ago
https://render.com/ https://render.com/ is free for static sites with custom domain support and SSL included. been happy so far! used to use s3 for the longest time, but aside from costing a nominal fee, it's so unnecessarily complicated in this day and age.
- jefozabuss 3y ago
  Just something to keep in mind: this also has about half of additional bandwidth costs (above 100GB) of the reddit post, so in your case you'd be billed for ~$57k or so with similar DDOS. At least they seem to provide monitoring/alerts based on their Security page.
  - apsurd 3y ago
    thanks for the heads up, need to do my due diligence here. edit: refreshing that they highlight baked in ddos protection right up front on their marketing site: https://docs.render.com/ddos-protection https://docs.render.com/ddos-protection
- SXX 3y ago
  Keep in mind that according to their forum you'll be charged $30/100GB for bandwidth over free allowance of 100GB: https://community.render.com/t/confused-about-the-free-tier/19092 https://community.render.com/t/confused-about-the-free-tier/... > Exceeding allotted Bandwidth does result in automatic overage charges. $30 for additional 100 GB blocks. So the same shady pracrice as on Netlify.
  - great_thanks 3y ago
    wow, thanks for mentioning that, though I'm wondering how this would work, since they didn't ask for any name/billing information at signup...
- boredtofears 3y ago
  > used to use s3 for the longest time, but aside from costing a nominal fee, it's so unnecessarily complicated in this day and age its like 10 minutes of setup tops to host on s3
  - apsurd 3y ago
    Not for me. It's always configuration voodoo. i've done it dozens of times and i used to think it's normal developer workflow. now i realize I was putting thumbtacks in my eyes for no good reason. Creating an s3 bucket is easy enough. but you need to add the policy Json config to allow public access, and it has various versions across time and space. the one that works for me is like 15 years old iono. object resource "//*" something or other. ok so now you have an s3-east-mybucket.com/index.html, ok custom domain that's route 53 yet more configuration vooodoo to point an s3 website enabled bucket blah blah. wait! need SSL? oops actually that's cloudfront. need a cloudfront config voodo to point to an s3 config voodoo to your hopefully correctly configured route 53. are you kidding me, 10 mins? You're a wizard. Now i do git push origin main and my sites up on render.com
    - boredtofears 3y ago
      yes, you need to spend the time to learn about the environment you are hosting your app in and then suddenly it won't seem like "voodoo" as much. you absolutely can set this up in 10 minutes (probably much quicker if you are adept with various infra tooling). theres even wizard dialogs for most of the things you've described right in the AWS UI nowadays.
  - Ringz 3y ago
    That depends on what level of knowledge you are based on. The UX of AWS offers even leading experienced admins and developers some surprising stumbling blocks.
KingOfCoders 3y ago
I use BunnyCDN to host several sites, they have a minimum cost of $1 per month and I usually pay $1 per month. I run my sites [0] on Hugo and copy the generated sites (Makefile) to BunnyCDN with their command line tool. It's a plain CDN, but does include DNS hosting for easy SSL certificates and has scriptable DNS [1] where you can run Javascript for dynamic DNS. I went with them b/c they are in the EU, but I've stayed because I love them. [0] e.g. https://www.amazingcto.com/ https://www.amazingcto.com/ [1] https://bunny.net/dns/ https://bunny.net/dns/
- thinkingemote 3y ago
  Looks nice but then so does Netlify at face level! Seems like it is pay as you go, and there is a settable max spend per month. Does their ddos protection work differently than Netlify and could Bunny ever pull the same stunt with billing?
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    No they don't do Ddos protection AFAIK. I think the main difference to me is Netlify $550/TB [0] BunnyCDN $10/TB [1] You preload your account: "In order to keep your service online, you are required to keep a positive account credit balance. Our system will automatically send multiple warning emails if your account balance drops beyond a certain point. If you fail to recharge your account, the system will automatically suspend your account" [0] https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress [1] https://bunny.net/pricing/ https://bunny.net/pricing/
    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      Just checked, you can also set a limit on monthly bandwidth. "Monthly Bandwidth Limit (GB) - Limits the allowed bandwidth used in a month. If the limit is reached the zone will be disabled. Set to 0 for unlimited."
      - thinkingemote 3y ago
dombili 3y ago
Github works well for me.
- basil-rash 3y ago
  If it’s really pure static, github is great because it’s impossible for you to be billed. If you want some functions, Cloudflare free plan is nice because you can configure it to stop operating when the usage limit is reached, or pay $5 a month for more than you’ll likely ever need for a hobby project. Also bandwidth is free.
  - SXX 3y ago
    Do you need to configure Cloudflare to stop operating on limit? I was thinking they never charge for anything unless you explicitly allowed it.
    - basil-rash 3y ago
      You configure how it stops, whether the static content is available when the functions quota has been exceeded.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
Cloudflare. You will get a call if on a free or pro ($25/month) plan [1] if your bandwidth usage is so high it would warrant increasing your plan. Worst case, they turn you off. Preferred over denial of money attack based on your use case. Set and forget after pointing at your origin (time is money). You'll get a call on any of their plans if your bandwidth usage exceeds certain thresholds, I am assuming your median usage is relatively tame. Disclosure: Cloudflare enterprise customer, no other affiliation. I don't get anything for saying nice things. [1] https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/ https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/
- AtNightWeCode 3y ago
  You typically can't replace Netlify with Cloudflare. You need something like Github actions with some storage, S3 or something and then one can put Cloudflare in front of it all for caching, DDOS protection and so on.
  - yellow_lead 3y ago
    I believe you can replace most cases (static sites) with Cloudflare Workers [1]. [1] https://workers.cloudflare.com/ https://workers.cloudflare.com/
    - AtNightWeCode 3y ago
      Workers run before the cache so I would avoid this for static sites. One can use workers for dynamic routes on a static site though.
  - OJFord 3y ago
    Sounds like you're thinking of Cloudflare still as just the DNS/DDoS protection it started out with. I'm not that familiar with Netlify, but just going on your description: - Cloudflare Pages: https://pages.cloudflare.com/ https://pages.cloudflare.com/ - Cloudflare R2: https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/
lofties 3y ago
I'm hosting a few large (multiple TB) projects on Cloudflare R2 with no issues for more than a year now. Super happy.
lopkeny12ko 3y ago
For less than 1% of OP's monthly bill, you can build or obtain a more-than-enough server, drop your static files on it, and serve through nginx. And you get to keep it forever; there's no monthly subscription fee! Seriously, maybe I'm just old, but I look at the pricing of these hip and modern SaaS products for dead simple software and I cannot believe my eyes. The "old fashioned way" works just fine (and has always worked just fine) and is orders of magnitude cheaper.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  Hetzner or DigitalOcean with Coolify [0] works great, it's like an open source Heroku that runs on any host, you get git push to deploy, and a bunch of other features built in. It only works on one machine at a time though so it's not like a CDN but for small sites, it's great. [0] https://coolify.io https://coolify.io
  - tasuki 3y ago
    I use DigitalOcean to host some things (with my own setup for deployments with git push, because `curl | bash` is not a great way to install/maintain software). How am I protected against extra charges for traffic?
    - welder 3y ago
      Same here, using DigitalOcean instead of Vercel to host my Next.js app. I have a billing alert to notify of unexpected bills, but I don't know what DO does if somehow TBs of traffic are sent to my apps or Cloudflare, because DO App Platform actually uses Cloudflare behind the scenes.
- rtpg 3y ago
  I mean you gotta put your server somewhere (I guess hosting it on your connection?)
- amluto 3y ago
  A lot less than 1%.
Matheus28 3y ago
For static sites my choice is usually CloudFlare in front of a S3 bucket. It costs pennies. With cloudflare R2 it might be even easier.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  Why not just use Cloudflare Pages?
  - Matheus28 3y ago
    It wasn’t an option when I setup my S3+cloudflare sites. It sounds like an excellent solution now.
dvko 3y ago
Hetzner VPS + nginx works fine and goes a looong way. Alternatively, SourceHut pages or GitHub pages is okay too. If it’s been a while since you did any server work: https://www.dannyvankooten.com/blog/2024/static-site-hosting-vps/ https://www.dannyvankooten.com/blog/2024/static-site-hosting...
mirekrusin 3y ago
Github static page.
chronogram 3y ago
For personal servers you can use the dynamic DNS feature on your modem in combination with Cloudflare if you like doing it at home, if it's for your business you can see if you can afford the €2 per month for Hetzner managed hosting or your local equivalent.
heavyset_go 3y ago
I just migrated some projects to Cloudflare Pages for the time being.
bsimpson 3y ago
Firebase Hosting is rad.
zilti 3y ago
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So if I want to migrate off of netlify to something better, where?

dhaavi 3y ago

Depending on your use case, Hetzner is as cheap as it gets while retaining high quality.

maxboone 3y ago

CloudFlare Pages/ Workers is pretty nice

dalenw 3y ago

I've always been a fan of cloudflare or firebase for static sites.

INTPenis 3y ago

I use AWS, S3, Cloudfront, ACM with a budget alert.

apsurd 3y ago

https://render.com/ https://render.com/ is free for static sites with custom domain support and SSL included. been happy so far! used to use s3 for the longest time, but aside from costing a nominal fee, it's so unnecessarily complicated in this day and age.

jefozabuss 3y ago
Just something to keep in mind: this also has about half of additional bandwidth costs (above 100GB) of the reddit post, so in your case you'd be billed for ~$57k or so with similar DDOS. At least they seem to provide monitoring/alerts based on their Security page.
- apsurd 3y ago
  thanks for the heads up, need to do my due diligence here. edit: refreshing that they highlight baked in ddos protection right up front on their marketing site: https://docs.render.com/ddos-protection https://docs.render.com/ddos-protection
SXX 3y ago
Keep in mind that according to their forum you'll be charged $30/100GB for bandwidth over free allowance of 100GB: https://community.render.com/t/confused-about-the-free-tier/19092 https://community.render.com/t/confused-about-the-free-tier/... > Exceeding allotted Bandwidth does result in automatic overage charges. $30 for additional 100 GB blocks. So the same shady pracrice as on Netlify.
- great_thanks 3y ago
  wow, thanks for mentioning that, though I'm wondering how this would work, since they didn't ask for any name/billing information at signup...
boredtofears 3y ago
> used to use s3 for the longest time, but aside from costing a nominal fee, it's so unnecessarily complicated in this day and age its like 10 minutes of setup tops to host on s3
- apsurd 3y ago
  Not for me. It's always configuration voodoo. i've done it dozens of times and i used to think it's normal developer workflow. now i realize I was putting thumbtacks in my eyes for no good reason. Creating an s3 bucket is easy enough. but you need to add the policy Json config to allow public access, and it has various versions across time and space. the one that works for me is like 15 years old iono. object resource "//*" something or other. ok so now you have an s3-east-mybucket.com/index.html, ok custom domain that's route 53 yet more configuration vooodoo to point an s3 website enabled bucket blah blah. wait! need SSL? oops actually that's cloudfront. need a cloudfront config voodo to point to an s3 config voodoo to your hopefully correctly configured route 53. are you kidding me, 10 mins? You're a wizard. Now i do git push origin main and my sites up on render.com
  - boredtofears 3y ago
    yes, you need to spend the time to learn about the environment you are hosting your app in and then suddenly it won't seem like "voodoo" as much. you absolutely can set this up in 10 minutes (probably much quicker if you are adept with various infra tooling). theres even wizard dialogs for most of the things you've described right in the AWS UI nowadays.
- Ringz 3y ago
  That depends on what level of knowledge you are based on. The UX of AWS offers even leading experienced admins and developers some surprising stumbling blocks.

KingOfCoders 3y ago

I use BunnyCDN to host several sites, they have a minimum cost of $1 per month and I usually pay $1 per month. I run my sites [0] on Hugo and copy the generated sites (Makefile) to BunnyCDN with their command line tool. It's a plain CDN, but does include DNS hosting for easy SSL certificates and has scriptable DNS [1] where you can run Javascript for dynamic DNS. I went with them b/c they are in the EU, but I've stayed because I love them. [0] e.g. https://www.amazingcto.com/ https://www.amazingcto.com/ [1] https://bunny.net/dns/ https://bunny.net/dns/

thinkingemote 3y ago
Looks nice but then so does Netlify at face level! Seems like it is pay as you go, and there is a settable max spend per month. Does their ddos protection work differently than Netlify and could Bunny ever pull the same stunt with billing?
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  No they don't do Ddos protection AFAIK. I think the main difference to me is Netlify $550/TB [0] BunnyCDN $10/TB [1] You preload your account: "In order to keep your service online, you are required to keep a positive account credit balance. Our system will automatically send multiple warning emails if your account balance drops beyond a certain point. If you fail to recharge your account, the system will automatically suspend your account" [0] https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress [1] https://bunny.net/pricing/ https://bunny.net/pricing/
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    Just checked, you can also set a limit on monthly bandwidth. "Monthly Bandwidth Limit (GB) - Limits the allowed bandwidth used in a month. If the limit is reached the zone will be disabled. Set to 0 for unlimited."
    - thinkingemote 3y ago

dombili 3y ago

Github works well for me.

basil-rash 3y ago
If it’s really pure static, github is great because it’s impossible for you to be billed. If you want some functions, Cloudflare free plan is nice because you can configure it to stop operating when the usage limit is reached, or pay $5 a month for more than you’ll likely ever need for a hobby project. Also bandwidth is free.
- SXX 3y ago
  Do you need to configure Cloudflare to stop operating on limit? I was thinking they never charge for anything unless you explicitly allowed it.
  - basil-rash 3y ago
    You configure how it stops, whether the static content is available when the functions quota has been exceeded.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Cloudflare. You will get a call if on a free or pro ($25/month) plan [1] if your bandwidth usage is so high it would warrant increasing your plan. Worst case, they turn you off. Preferred over denial of money attack based on your use case. Set and forget after pointing at your origin (time is money). You'll get a call on any of their plans if your bandwidth usage exceeds certain thresholds, I am assuming your median usage is relatively tame. Disclosure: Cloudflare enterprise customer, no other affiliation. I don't get anything for saying nice things. [1] https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/ https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/

AtNightWeCode 3y ago
You typically can't replace Netlify with Cloudflare. You need something like Github actions with some storage, S3 or something and then one can put Cloudflare in front of it all for caching, DDOS protection and so on.
- yellow_lead 3y ago
  I believe you can replace most cases (static sites) with Cloudflare Workers [1]. [1] https://workers.cloudflare.com/ https://workers.cloudflare.com/
  - AtNightWeCode 3y ago
    Workers run before the cache so I would avoid this for static sites. One can use workers for dynamic routes on a static site though.
- OJFord 3y ago
  Sounds like you're thinking of Cloudflare still as just the DNS/DDoS protection it started out with. I'm not that familiar with Netlify, but just going on your description: - Cloudflare Pages: https://pages.cloudflare.com/ https://pages.cloudflare.com/ - Cloudflare R2: https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/

lofties 3y ago

I'm hosting a few large (multiple TB) projects on Cloudflare R2 with no issues for more than a year now. Super happy.

lopkeny12ko 3y ago

For less than 1% of OP's monthly bill, you can build or obtain a more-than-enough server, drop your static files on it, and serve through nginx. And you get to keep it forever; there's no monthly subscription fee! Seriously, maybe I'm just old, but I look at the pricing of these hip and modern SaaS products for dead simple software and I cannot believe my eyes. The "old fashioned way" works just fine (and has always worked just fine) and is orders of magnitude cheaper.

satvikpendem 3y ago
Hetzner or DigitalOcean with Coolify [0] works great, it's like an open source Heroku that runs on any host, you get git push to deploy, and a bunch of other features built in. It only works on one machine at a time though so it's not like a CDN but for small sites, it's great. [0] https://coolify.io https://coolify.io
- tasuki 3y ago
  I use DigitalOcean to host some things (with my own setup for deployments with git push, because `curl | bash` is not a great way to install/maintain software). How am I protected against extra charges for traffic?
  - welder 3y ago
    Same here, using DigitalOcean instead of Vercel to host my Next.js app. I have a billing alert to notify of unexpected bills, but I don't know what DO does if somehow TBs of traffic are sent to my apps or Cloudflare, because DO App Platform actually uses Cloudflare behind the scenes.
rtpg 3y ago
I mean you gotta put your server somewhere (I guess hosting it on your connection?)
amluto 3y ago
A lot less than 1%.

Matheus28 3y ago

For static sites my choice is usually CloudFlare in front of a S3 bucket. It costs pennies. With cloudflare R2 it might be even easier.

Hamuko 3y ago
Why not just use Cloudflare Pages?
- Matheus28 3y ago
  It wasn’t an option when I setup my S3+cloudflare sites. It sounds like an excellent solution now.

dvko 3y ago

Hetzner VPS + nginx works fine and goes a looong way. Alternatively, SourceHut pages or GitHub pages is okay too. If it’s been a while since you did any server work: https://www.dannyvankooten.com/blog/2024/static-site-hosting-vps/ https://www.dannyvankooten.com/blog/2024/static-site-hosting...

mirekrusin 3y ago

Github static page.

chronogram 3y ago

For personal servers you can use the dynamic DNS feature on your modem in combination with Cloudflare if you like doing it at home, if it's for your business you can see if you can afford the €2 per month for Hetzner managed hosting or your local equivalent.

heavyset_go 3y ago

I just migrated some projects to Cloudflare Pages for the time being.

bsimpson 3y ago

Firebase Hosting is rad.

zilti 3y ago

Infomaniak