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It really is. It's like "Hey, thanks for picking up a bucket and scooping water out of the ship. Now that we've been saved, we're gonna need you to jump overboa

It really is. It's like "Hey, thanks for picking up a bucket and scooping water out of the ship. Now that we've been saved, we're gonna need you to jump overboard because we want bigger rations."

quatrefoil 3y ago
Missed opportunity for a metaphor... "we're gonna need you to walk the plank". But fundamentally, I don't think this is an indefensible stance. There are many industries that hire seasonally or for specific projects, and where the expectation is that you will need another job when the season is over / the task is done. Tech is actually pretty "seasonal", going through cycles of manic, excessive hiring and then belt-tightening and layoffs at the first sign of any headwinds. It's been like that for 30+ years. The problem is that nobody is going to be honest with you. In fact, in the fat years, tech workers are coddled and told they're family. I can't really see the industry changing any time soon, so if you want to stay sane, just don't fall for the lies. By the end of the day, you're just a delivery guy for a very posh version of UPS.
- xeromal 3y ago
  I agree that there are plenty of seasonal roles, but you'd hope they'd leverage contract positions for that.
  - earthwalker99 3y ago
    Hope all you'd like but that doesn't change the fact that they'll do whatever they want because you have no power.
- ysavir 3y ago
  > The problem is that nobody is going to be honest with you. Isn't that what makes it indefensible?
vizzier 3y ago
We need to unionize and get residuals. 0.0001 cent each time a line of our code execute might be a good start.
- simonziguana 3y ago
  Because SWE are famously underpaid. I'm much more concerned about less privileged staff and their work being properly valued
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    So group X should not fight for better pay because somewhere there exist groups Y and Z who are more underpaid?
  - malfist 3y ago
    You can care about more than one thing at once
  - earthwalker99 3y ago
    I hope you get your medal!
- renewiltord 3y ago
  Never thought I'd see the day when software engineers would argue that sloccount is a good productivity metric. Loving it.

It really is. It's like "Hey, thanks for picking up a bucket and scooping water out of the ship. Now that we've been saved, we're gonna need you to jump overboard because we want bigger rations."

quatrefoil 3y ago

Missed opportunity for a metaphor... "we're gonna need you to walk the plank". But fundamentally, I don't think this is an indefensible stance. There are many industries that hire seasonally or for specific projects, and where the expectation is that you will need another job when the season is over / the task is done. Tech is actually pretty "seasonal", going through cycles of manic, excessive hiring and then belt-tightening and layoffs at the first sign of any headwinds. It's been like that for 30+ years. The problem is that nobody is going to be honest with you. In fact, in the fat years, tech workers are coddled and told they're family. I can't really see the industry changing any time soon, so if you want to stay sane, just don't fall for the lies. By the end of the day, you're just a delivery guy for a very posh version of UPS.

xeromal 3y ago
I agree that there are plenty of seasonal roles, but you'd hope they'd leverage contract positions for that.
- earthwalker99 3y ago
  Hope all you'd like but that doesn't change the fact that they'll do whatever they want because you have no power.
ysavir 3y ago
> The problem is that nobody is going to be honest with you. Isn't that what makes it indefensible?

vizzier 3y ago

We need to unionize and get residuals. 0.0001 cent each time a line of our code execute might be a good start.

simonziguana 3y ago
Because SWE are famously underpaid. I'm much more concerned about less privileged staff and their work being properly valued
- ryandrake 3y ago
  So group X should not fight for better pay because somewhere there exist groups Y and Z who are more underpaid?
- malfist 3y ago
  You can care about more than one thing at once
- earthwalker99 3y ago
  I hope you get your medal!
renewiltord 3y ago
Never thought I'd see the day when software engineers would argue that sloccount is a good productivity metric. Loving it.