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Every other country has airport security of some sort (at least the several dozen I've been to). Is it the case that you aren't against airport security, except

Every other country has airport security of some sort (at least the several dozen I've been to). Is it the case that you aren't against airport security, except when it is specifically named "TSA"?

toomuchtodo 3y ago
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saurik 3y ago
We had airport security before the TSA. It was very different and not at all as bad. Reading this discussion, it frankly sounds like you can't conceptualize the notion that not only can you have a very different model of airport security than this over-arching agency, but that many other countries--as well as our country only a couple short decades ago--manage to do so in practice. You thereby keep asking extremely strange questions like whether we believe people should be able to bring absolutely anything onto a plane, as, to you, either you have exactly the model we have now or we have literally nothing... but, obviously, that doesn't make sense, and you thereby just entirely ignore the stark differences between airport security pre- and post- TSA :/. The reality is that the TSA's way of approaching this problem 1) wasn't what was needed to prevent 9-11 and 2) doesn't even manage to prevent people from bringing dangerous things onto planes (another fact you keep refusing to engage with).
- dumbo-octopus 3y ago
  The process in other countries is roughly the same as it is here. The scanner you go through might be a bit different, the things that stay in or out of your bag may be a bit different, but let's not act like the TSA makes things somehow markedly worse than any other country and say that we should simply "hire a private company", as so many commenters think is the answer, as if that change anything. I personally have had plenty of experiences in US airports with TSA where I don't need to take anything out of my bag or take any clothing off, and I simply walk though a metal detector. But folks here think firing the TSA is somehow the solution to getting that level of security (which is why I asked how much security people want in the first place, much to this site's objection). People are simply way to emotional about those three letters in specific that they can't seem to think clearly enough to separate what they actually do from their perception of their failures.

Every other country has airport security of some sort (at least the several dozen I've been to). Is it the case that you aren't against airport security, except when it is specifically named "TSA"?

toomuchtodo 3y ago

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saurik 3y ago

We had airport security before the TSA. It was very different and not at all as bad. Reading this discussion, it frankly sounds like you can't conceptualize the notion that not only can you have a very different model of airport security than this over-arching agency, but that many other countries--as well as our country only a couple short decades ago--manage to do so in practice. You thereby keep asking extremely strange questions like whether we believe people should be able to bring absolutely anything onto a plane, as, to you, either you have exactly the model we have now or we have literally nothing... but, obviously, that doesn't make sense, and you thereby just entirely ignore the stark differences between airport security pre- and post- TSA :/. The reality is that the TSA's way of approaching this problem 1) wasn't what was needed to prevent 9-11 and 2) doesn't even manage to prevent people from bringing dangerous things onto planes (another fact you keep refusing to engage with).

dumbo-octopus 3y ago
The process in other countries is roughly the same as it is here. The scanner you go through might be a bit different, the things that stay in or out of your bag may be a bit different, but let's not act like the TSA makes things somehow markedly worse than any other country and say that we should simply "hire a private company", as so many commenters think is the answer, as if that change anything. I personally have had plenty of experiences in US airports with TSA where I don't need to take anything out of my bag or take any clothing off, and I simply walk though a metal detector. But folks here think firing the TSA is somehow the solution to getting that level of security (which is why I asked how much security people want in the first place, much to this site's objection). People are simply way to emotional about those three letters in specific that they can't seem to think clearly enough to separate what they actually do from their perception of their failures.