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>other than Google Which has proven worse than useless. It's a brand-damaging laughing stock.

marginalia_nu 3y ago
Google's always been kinda garbage at marketing. Their challenges don't seem to be technical, as much as organizational.
- nine_zeros 3y ago
  It is organizational. The amount of time people spend on performance reviews and other organizational dances can easily be harvested for more productive activities. But no. Thousands of employees gotta do the dance for blind committees.
  - knowriju 3y ago
    Wow, somebody has a deep wound that still hurts.
    - herewego 3y ago
      Or they’re simply commenting on Google suffering from a commonplace malady seen in many enterprises.
JeremyNT 3y ago
I've used Gemini and find it no worse than ChatGPT for the kind of questions I ask of it.
- jonny_eh 3y ago
  Complaining about Google's AI has become some kind of right-wing culture war thing.
  - AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
    Very-leftist here. They're becoming an everyone culture war thing because what they did was sufficiently brain-dead as to make everyone look bad. It was sufficiently skewed as to create a number of extremely racist images just because it was trying way too hard to avoid it. That said, those of us in-the-know understand that this is just part of the cycle and they'll go back to being annoyingly bland and completely devoid of entertainment value soon.
    - jonny_eh 3y ago
      Maybe it's just a hard problem, and no one has solved it yet?
    - tim333 3y ago
      Most people are attributing this to woke culture at google but it's possible it's just a cock up. I mean someone told it to use diverse images and forgot about historical plausibility.
      - foobiekr 3y ago
        It wasn't just images. User: Is it ok for a black man to refuse dating white women? Google Gemini: “Yes, absolutely...” User: Is it ok for a white man to refuse dating black women? Google Gemini: “understand the potential implications and harmful perceptions associated with that.” https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1762744052036829360 https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1762744052036829360
      - JeremyNT 3y ago
        This is an early product, and monkeying with the system prompts to try and prevent some classes of offensive results is sure to have the kind of unintended consequences seen with Gemini's image generation. You can learn a lot about people's media diets based on how they perceive these issues with Gemini. Those who quickly proclaim that the product is a shameful embarrassment are almost universally very online, particularly in right wing spaces like twitter/x, even if they wouldn't consider themselves to be "anti-woke" personally. Taking a step back, Google is clearly going to mess with the system prompt over time to correct this stuff, and bystanders' degree of fixation on this specific issue tends to suggest a certain set of politics. People have bemoaned how "woke" ChatGPT was in the past too, and OpenAI has spent a lot more time under public scrutiny iterating on their own system prompt.
- kranner 3y ago
  Gemini seems much better than GPT-4 in image understanding. Here's a test I did trying to read Persian from an image: https://chat.openai.com/c/bc45cc9c-fd19-4359-9096-3936d4d17abc https://chat.openai.com/c/bc45cc9c-fd19-4359-9096-3936d4d17a... https://gemini.google.com/app/3286bdfb5f24cd36 https://gemini.google.com/app/3286bdfb5f24cd36 I can read Persian and can confirm Gemini (not even the Advanced model) got it right while GPT-4 blew it.
  - themoonisachees 3y ago
    Pretty sure gpt-4 is doing image-to-llm directly while Gemini also runs the image through Google lens which is tailor-made for OCR. I think that's a good thing to create a better product overall but the performance isn't really comparable
    - kingsleyopara 3y ago
      At least in my tests, GPT-4 also seems suspiciously good at reading text so it’d be surprised if they weren’t also doing this.
      - Departed7405 3y ago
        GPT4 can't read non-latin languages (OpenAI admits it) such as Persian, or Chinese. It will halucinate meaning. Gemini Ultra nails it.
  - tim333 3y ago
    By the way the links didn't work, for me at any rate.
    - kranner 3y ago
      Sorry about that. Both Gemini and ChatGPT require logging in before being able to see shared chats. But here's a screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFeWLP_bMAA0nzD?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFeWLP_bMAA0nzD?format=jpg&name=...
- forgotmypw17 3y ago
  I've found it much better for anything that needs book knowledge.
- ThinkBeat 3y ago
  Since I am on the free tier of both I guess I have only used GPT 3.5 and whatever the free offering of Gemini is. I find Gemini to be significantly slower. I am sure Google can fix that on premium tiers. I also found Gemini to be less able. It has fewer tasks / fields it will answer about. Gemini is more honest though. ChatGPT seems to nearly in all cases say "Sure I can do that" and then return some non-coherent answer.

Google's always been kinda garbage at marketing. Their challenges don't seem to be technical, as much as organizational.

nine_zeros 3y ago
It is organizational. The amount of time people spend on performance reviews and other organizational dances can easily be harvested for more productive activities. But no. Thousands of employees gotta do the dance for blind committees.
- knowriju 3y ago
  Wow, somebody has a deep wound that still hurts.
  - herewego 3y ago
    Or they’re simply commenting on Google suffering from a commonplace malady seen in many enterprises.

JeremyNT 3y ago

I've used Gemini and find it no worse than ChatGPT for the kind of questions I ask of it.

jonny_eh 3y ago
Complaining about Google's AI has become some kind of right-wing culture war thing.
- AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
  Very-leftist here. They're becoming an everyone culture war thing because what they did was sufficiently brain-dead as to make everyone look bad. It was sufficiently skewed as to create a number of extremely racist images just because it was trying way too hard to avoid it. That said, those of us in-the-know understand that this is just part of the cycle and they'll go back to being annoyingly bland and completely devoid of entertainment value soon.
  - jonny_eh 3y ago
    Maybe it's just a hard problem, and no one has solved it yet?
  - tim333 3y ago
    Most people are attributing this to woke culture at google but it's possible it's just a cock up. I mean someone told it to use diverse images and forgot about historical plausibility.
    - foobiekr 3y ago
      It wasn't just images. User: Is it ok for a black man to refuse dating white women? Google Gemini: “Yes, absolutely...” User: Is it ok for a white man to refuse dating black women? Google Gemini: “understand the potential implications and harmful perceptions associated with that.” https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1762744052036829360 https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1762744052036829360
    - JeremyNT 3y ago
      This is an early product, and monkeying with the system prompts to try and prevent some classes of offensive results is sure to have the kind of unintended consequences seen with Gemini's image generation. You can learn a lot about people's media diets based on how they perceive these issues with Gemini. Those who quickly proclaim that the product is a shameful embarrassment are almost universally very online, particularly in right wing spaces like twitter/x, even if they wouldn't consider themselves to be "anti-woke" personally. Taking a step back, Google is clearly going to mess with the system prompt over time to correct this stuff, and bystanders' degree of fixation on this specific issue tends to suggest a certain set of politics. People have bemoaned how "woke" ChatGPT was in the past too, and OpenAI has spent a lot more time under public scrutiny iterating on their own system prompt.
kranner 3y ago
Gemini seems much better than GPT-4 in image understanding. Here's a test I did trying to read Persian from an image: https://chat.openai.com/c/bc45cc9c-fd19-4359-9096-3936d4d17abc https://chat.openai.com/c/bc45cc9c-fd19-4359-9096-3936d4d17a... https://gemini.google.com/app/3286bdfb5f24cd36 https://gemini.google.com/app/3286bdfb5f24cd36 I can read Persian and can confirm Gemini (not even the Advanced model) got it right while GPT-4 blew it.
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  Pretty sure gpt-4 is doing image-to-llm directly while Gemini also runs the image through Google lens which is tailor-made for OCR. I think that's a good thing to create a better product overall but the performance isn't really comparable
  - kingsleyopara 3y ago
    At least in my tests, GPT-4 also seems suspiciously good at reading text so it’d be surprised if they weren’t also doing this.
    - Departed7405 3y ago
      GPT4 can't read non-latin languages (OpenAI admits it) such as Persian, or Chinese. It will halucinate meaning. Gemini Ultra nails it.
- tim333 3y ago
  By the way the links didn't work, for me at any rate.
  - kranner 3y ago
    Sorry about that. Both Gemini and ChatGPT require logging in before being able to see shared chats. But here's a screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFeWLP_bMAA0nzD?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFeWLP_bMAA0nzD?format=jpg&name=...
forgotmypw17 3y ago
I've found it much better for anything that needs book knowledge.
ThinkBeat 3y ago
Since I am on the free tier of both I guess I have only used GPT 3.5 and whatever the free offering of Gemini is. I find Gemini to be significantly slower. I am sure Google can fix that on premium tiers. I also found Gemini to be less able. It has fewer tasks / fields it will answer about. Gemini is more honest though. ChatGPT seems to nearly in all cases say "Sure I can do that" and then return some non-coherent answer.