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From reddit: Chinese models seem to be the last hope now, LOL. It's going to be really interesting as two poles of power develop geopolitically, if the west

by andy99 3y ago

From reddit: Chinese models seem to be the last hope now, LOL. It's going to be really interesting as two poles of power develop geopolitically, if the west or whatever you call it has to look to China or what we (the west) would consider the pole we look down on, for actually "free" ML models. (Edit, reminds me a bit of the silicon valley joke where Erlich tells Jin Yang he can't smoke in California as we don't enjoy the same freedoms you do in China)

digging 3y ago
I'm not really familiar with Chinese AI research, but my passing familiarity with the CCP makes me seriously question how free those ML models actually are, or will remain (if they currently are). I can't imagine the CCP wants AI enabling dissent or critical discussion of the CCP.
- rvnx 3y ago
  They are actually very good, cf: https://qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwen-vl/ https://qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwen-vl/ and it's possible to unalign them (like Dolphin-Yi).
dist-epoch 3y ago
The chinese gov is already pushing for regulations, for making sure AI doesn't "disrupt" society, etc...
kinpy 3y ago
Maybe we need a meta website similar to Dogpile from the 90s which would search all the search engines. When Gemini refuses to draw you a white family having a picnic China-GPT can help out. Ask a question about Taiwan and maybe something else can answer and so on. Also a wokeness benchmark would be great.
z_ 3y ago
Deepseek (https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Coder?tab=readme-ov-file https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Coder?tab=readme-ov-...) code is MIT and the model license is available too. edit I should mention that using the Web service Deepseek provides will unceremoniously shutdown terms deemed to be too sensitive. Self hosted models do not appear to be as aggressive.
zer00eyz 3y ago
Well this conversation just got very hard to have. A free model that appears to be "unaligned" would be a huge win for china. Think of it this way, a model that calls Taiwans independence as open for debate, while we wont say it's a country is a massive tip on the scales. Now pick another hot button politically divisive POV and have it be truly neutral (merits of arguments withstanding). What does the US do at that point? Tell us we can't use it? How does the EU react? >> (Edit, reminds me a bit of the silicon valley joke where Erlich tells Jin Yang he can't smoke in California as we don't enjoy the same freedoms you do in China) This reminds me of Chinese kids writing letters in the 90s to the us embassy to free Leonard Peltier.

by andy99 3y ago

digging 3y ago

I'm not really familiar with Chinese AI research, but my passing familiarity with the CCP makes me seriously question how free those ML models actually are, or will remain (if they currently are). I can't imagine the CCP wants AI enabling dissent or critical discussion of the CCP.

rvnx 3y ago
They are actually very good, cf: https://qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwen-vl/ https://qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwen-vl/ and it's possible to unalign them (like Dolphin-Yi).

dist-epoch 3y ago

The chinese gov is already pushing for regulations, for making sure AI doesn't "disrupt" society, etc...

kinpy 3y ago

Maybe we need a meta website similar to Dogpile from the 90s which would search all the search engines. When Gemini refuses to draw you a white family having a picnic China-GPT can help out. Ask a question about Taiwan and maybe something else can answer and so on. Also a wokeness benchmark would be great.

z_ 3y ago

Deepseek (https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Coder?tab=readme-ov-file https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Coder?tab=readme-ov-...) code is MIT and the model license is available too. edit I should mention that using the Web service Deepseek provides will unceremoniously shutdown terms deemed to be too sensitive. Self hosted models do not appear to be as aggressive.

zer00eyz 3y ago

Well this conversation just got very hard to have. A free model that appears to be "unaligned" would be a huge win for china. Think of it this way, a model that calls Taiwans independence as open for debate, while we wont say it's a country is a massive tip on the scales. Now pick another hot button politically divisive POV and have it be truly neutral (merits of arguments withstanding). What does the US do at that point? Tell us we can't use it? How does the EU react? >> (Edit, reminds me a bit of the silicon valley joke where Erlich tells Jin Yang he can't smoke in California as we don't enjoy the same freedoms you do in China) This reminds me of Chinese kids writing letters in the 90s to the us embassy to free Leonard Peltier.