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>as just about every country except North Korea honors the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty i don't think this is correct - https://www.nti.org/education-

>as just about every country except North Korea honors the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty i don't think this is correct - https://www.nti.org/education-center/treaties-and-regimes/comprehensive-nuclear-test-ban-treaty-ctbt/ https://www.nti.org/education-center/treaties-and-regimes/co... there are 8 other countries that have not signed so why would they honor the treaty? india in particular.

alephnerd 3y ago
> india in particular Last time India (and Pakistan) tested a live nuclear weapon was 1998, and both faced SEVERE sanctions at the time - and was a major reason both countries stopped buying American weapons systems and switched to Israeli and Chinese vendors respectively. The only country left that tests nuclear weapons live is North Korea
- kkarakk 3y ago
  yes but couldn't the countries that want to do simulations just buy through india/saudi arabia etc?
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    It doesn't scale out logistically. While some lossage is expected, you can't build a Tianhe-2 type supercomputer by smuggling Nvidia (or AMD) GPUs - and a nuclear program needs dozens. China, Russia, NK, and Iran have very severe hardware import restrictions circa 2024. This is why Russia, China, and Iran have been building our domestic fabrication capabilities (Russia in the early 2010s, China in the early 2020s, and Iran presently)
    - kkarakk 3y ago
      Interesting, thank you for answering!
- rokkitmensch 3y ago
  Pretty funny that US sanctions (according to this thread) won't let you buy hardware from el US, but you totally absolutely can from our client states. Man, wouldn't it be great if we operated a real empire, instead of this optical delusion?
- unmole 3y ago
  > and was a major reason both countries stopped buying American weapons systems and switched to Israeli and Chinese vendors respectively. India stopped buying American weapons systems after the 1965 war. The Soviet Union was already supplying more than 80% of all weapons used by India even before the 1971 war.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    From extended family and/or family friends in the South Block - in the 90s, after the Cold War ended, the IAF began using DEC ALPHA machines and was in talks w/ the Clinton admin about importing AEW&C systems from Grumman to replace the juggard Hawker Sidleys. After the Pokhran-2 tests, the radar+AEW&C sales ended and DEC/Compaq cancelled federal Indian deals at the time, and India based Sales reps for American firms switched to IAI, Elbit, and Rafael which ended up winning IAF deals from then on (some corruption played a role as well in this at the beginning) A lot of the wing commanders from that era work as lobbyists for Israeli firms now and most of the cream of the IAF, DRDO, and SCL in the 1980s-90s work as mid-upper level Engineering or Product Management in the US now after leaving in the 90s-2000s like my parent's generation.

alephnerd 3y ago

> india in particular Last time India (and Pakistan) tested a live nuclear weapon was 1998, and both faced SEVERE sanctions at the time - and was a major reason both countries stopped buying American weapons systems and switched to Israeli and Chinese vendors respectively. The only country left that tests nuclear weapons live is North Korea

kkarakk 3y ago
yes but couldn't the countries that want to do simulations just buy through india/saudi arabia etc?
- alephnerd 3y ago
  It doesn't scale out logistically. While some lossage is expected, you can't build a Tianhe-2 type supercomputer by smuggling Nvidia (or AMD) GPUs - and a nuclear program needs dozens. China, Russia, NK, and Iran have very severe hardware import restrictions circa 2024. This is why Russia, China, and Iran have been building our domestic fabrication capabilities (Russia in the early 2010s, China in the early 2020s, and Iran presently)
  - kkarakk 3y ago
    Interesting, thank you for answering!
rokkitmensch 3y ago
Pretty funny that US sanctions (according to this thread) won't let you buy hardware from el US, but you totally absolutely can from our client states. Man, wouldn't it be great if we operated a real empire, instead of this optical delusion?
unmole 3y ago
> and was a major reason both countries stopped buying American weapons systems and switched to Israeli and Chinese vendors respectively. India stopped buying American weapons systems after the 1965 war. The Soviet Union was already supplying more than 80% of all weapons used by India even before the 1971 war.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  From extended family and/or family friends in the South Block - in the 90s, after the Cold War ended, the IAF began using DEC ALPHA machines and was in talks w/ the Clinton admin about importing AEW&C systems from Grumman to replace the juggard Hawker Sidleys. After the Pokhran-2 tests, the radar+AEW&C sales ended and DEC/Compaq cancelled federal Indian deals at the time, and India based Sales reps for American firms switched to IAI, Elbit, and Rafael which ended up winning IAF deals from then on (some corruption played a role as well in this at the beginning) A lot of the wing commanders from that era work as lobbyists for Israeli firms now and most of the cream of the IAF, DRDO, and SCL in the 1980s-90s work as mid-upper level Engineering or Product Management in the US now after leaving in the 90s-2000s like my parent's generation.