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So you agree with the widespread censorship in China, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, etc...?

sandworm101 3y ago
Despite what Fox News says, Canada is not the Soviet Union. it is a functional liberal democracy full of checks and balances with a government subject to regular elections.
- whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
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  - morkalork 3y ago
    >unsafe and ineffective for profit therapy You're talking about the covid vaccine?
    - sandworm101 3y ago
      Yup. The anti-vaccination movement in Canada was in many ways worse than in the US. The fact that health care is a national service in Canada caused disparate groups with their own national issues (gun control, taxation) to coalesce around the anti-vaccine movement. Canada then faced nationally-organized anti-vax protests that, in the US, were largely targeted at local or state entities.
      - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
        Interesting take but not accurate. Many people, like Kamala Harris, didn’t trust the therapy - at least before they were calling the shots. You may find it useful to group up all the boogymen from your “side” together but it doesn’t make it reality. I, for instance, voted for Obama twice and Hillary and yet still refused to take the shot. Are you still getting boosters or do you just like to make everything political?
        morkalork 3y ago
        So. The people waving Trump flags at the convoy. Not political?
        whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
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  - squigz 3y ago
    Source, please
    - neom 3y ago
      Canada Ends Its Freeze on Hundreds of Accounts Tied to Protests -https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/world/americas/canada-protest-finances.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/world/americas/canada-pro... More context: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/four-highlights-emergencies-act-1.6752653 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/four-highlights-emergencies...
- canadiantim 3y ago
  Actually Canada doesn't have that many checks and balances. Yes we have regular elections (not fixed dates tho). Currently we have a minority government acting like a majority government and in the Canadian system a majority government is as close to a dictatorship as a democracy allows for, in that the government is relied on to investigate itself, which of course yields nothing. There are no checks and balances except an election a few times a decade.
  - neom 3y ago
    ...What about the Senate?? It regularly rejects bills and sends them back.
    - canadiantim 3y ago
      My impression is the Senate doesn't actually regularly reject bills. They have, but its few and far between. The Senate also isn't really independent as they're appointed by party in power and vote in groups whipped by their leaders. Even recent development under Trudeau who "released" all liberal senators from being Liberal Senators such that now they sit as "independent" senators, but they all still vote in a one big block that votes exactly the same way as the liberal senator group, they just changed names. There are, however, a couple more splinter groups with specialized interests in the senate because of the shuffle, which is good to see, but by and large the Senate is very ineffective at being a check and balance. Mostly it's a rubber stamp process unless it's particularly egregious then it's a wrist slap asking for minor changes. Hence decades of debate on reforming or even abolishing the senate, which has been a mainstream debate for a long time and still ongoing.
      - neom 3y ago
        https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/legislation/senateBillsNotPassed https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/legislation... Here's the data. Seems like they're doing a fine job to me.
        3y ago
- VancouverMan 3y ago
  > functional liberal democracy full of checks and balances with a government subject to regular elections It's more nuanced than that. The current system can easily result in surprisingly disproportionate representation in the House of Commons. Look at the results of the most recent federal election, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election A party that received 32.62% of the popular vote got 160 seats in the House of Commons, while another party that received 33.74% of the vote got only 119 seats. A party that received only 7.64% of the votes got 32 seats, while another party that received 17.82% of the vote got only 25 seats. A party that received 2.33% of the votes got 2 seats, while another party that received 4.94% of the vote got no seats. With a votes-to-seats situation like that, there are a lot of Canadians who don't have proper representation in the House of Commons, or in some cases, effectively none at all. It's no surprise that the voter turnout wasn't even 63%; many Canadians are completely disillusioned with how the current system works, and don't feel that any of the parties can offer them meaningful representation. Canada's political system does exhibit some democratic traits, but there are still some pretty serious and fundamental flaws with the current approach that can't be ignored, either.
- splitstud 3y ago
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themaninthedark 3y ago
Well to be fair; China, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany all had governments that were not as restrictive(or restrictive in different ways) before those factions came into power. Perhaps the current government of Canada feels that it is impossible for a more repressive party to come into power. I think that I heard the same thing about Trump before he was elected(as in no way could the USA elect someone that crazy).... I hope that when Canada does get an extremist, they are not the type to kill people in the streets.
- morkalork 3y ago
  Canada has already had some insanely regressive governments in the past and there was little in the way to stop the at the time. Religious, Christian, authoritarians were usually behind the oppression too. One not often talk about example is unmarried pregnant women were forced to give up their babies for "morality" reasons. "Some 600,000 Canadian babies were labelled “illegitimate” between 1945 and 1971, and it is estimated that between 300,000 and 450,000 babies were given up for forced adoption during this period."* Heck, if you were the wrong kind of Christian, you could be persecuted. Jehovah's Witnesses were banned during WW2 and afterwards, in Québec, distributing their literature was an offence because it attacked the Catholic Church. * https://globalnews.ca/news/4342569/forced-adoption-unmarried-women-canada-report/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4342569/forced-adoption-unmarried...

Despite what Fox News says, Canada is not the Soviet Union. it is a functional liberal democracy full of checks and balances with a government subject to regular elections.

whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
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- morkalork 3y ago
  >unsafe and ineffective for profit therapy You're talking about the covid vaccine?
  - sandworm101 3y ago
    Yup. The anti-vaccination movement in Canada was in many ways worse than in the US. The fact that health care is a national service in Canada caused disparate groups with their own national issues (gun control, taxation) to coalesce around the anti-vaccine movement. Canada then faced nationally-organized anti-vax protests that, in the US, were largely targeted at local or state entities.
    - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
      Interesting take but not accurate. Many people, like Kamala Harris, didn’t trust the therapy - at least before they were calling the shots. You may find it useful to group up all the boogymen from your “side” together but it doesn’t make it reality. I, for instance, voted for Obama twice and Hillary and yet still refused to take the shot. Are you still getting boosters or do you just like to make everything political?
      - morkalork 3y ago
        So. The people waving Trump flags at the convoy. Not political?
        whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
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- squigz 3y ago
  Source, please
  - neom 3y ago
    Canada Ends Its Freeze on Hundreds of Accounts Tied to Protests -https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/world/americas/canada-protest-finances.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/world/americas/canada-pro... More context: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/four-highlights-emergencies-act-1.6752653 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/four-highlights-emergencies...
canadiantim 3y ago
Actually Canada doesn't have that many checks and balances. Yes we have regular elections (not fixed dates tho). Currently we have a minority government acting like a majority government and in the Canadian system a majority government is as close to a dictatorship as a democracy allows for, in that the government is relied on to investigate itself, which of course yields nothing. There are no checks and balances except an election a few times a decade.
- neom 3y ago
  ...What about the Senate?? It regularly rejects bills and sends them back.
  - canadiantim 3y ago
    My impression is the Senate doesn't actually regularly reject bills. They have, but its few and far between. The Senate also isn't really independent as they're appointed by party in power and vote in groups whipped by their leaders. Even recent development under Trudeau who "released" all liberal senators from being Liberal Senators such that now they sit as "independent" senators, but they all still vote in a one big block that votes exactly the same way as the liberal senator group, they just changed names. There are, however, a couple more splinter groups with specialized interests in the senate because of the shuffle, which is good to see, but by and large the Senate is very ineffective at being a check and balance. Mostly it's a rubber stamp process unless it's particularly egregious then it's a wrist slap asking for minor changes. Hence decades of debate on reforming or even abolishing the senate, which has been a mainstream debate for a long time and still ongoing.
    - neom 3y ago
      https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/legislation/senateBillsNotPassed https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/legislation... Here's the data. Seems like they're doing a fine job to me.
      - 3y ago
VancouverMan 3y ago
> functional liberal democracy full of checks and balances with a government subject to regular elections It's more nuanced than that. The current system can easily result in surprisingly disproportionate representation in the House of Commons. Look at the results of the most recent federal election, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election A party that received 32.62% of the popular vote got 160 seats in the House of Commons, while another party that received 33.74% of the vote got only 119 seats. A party that received only 7.64% of the votes got 32 seats, while another party that received 17.82% of the vote got only 25 seats. A party that received 2.33% of the votes got 2 seats, while another party that received 4.94% of the vote got no seats. With a votes-to-seats situation like that, there are a lot of Canadians who don't have proper representation in the House of Commons, or in some cases, effectively none at all. It's no surprise that the voter turnout wasn't even 63%; many Canadians are completely disillusioned with how the current system works, and don't feel that any of the parties can offer them meaningful representation. Canada's political system does exhibit some democratic traits, but there are still some pretty serious and fundamental flaws with the current approach that can't be ignored, either.
splitstud 3y ago
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themaninthedark 3y ago

Well to be fair; China, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany all had governments that were not as restrictive(or restrictive in different ways) before those factions came into power. Perhaps the current government of Canada feels that it is impossible for a more repressive party to come into power. I think that I heard the same thing about Trump before he was elected(as in no way could the USA elect someone that crazy).... I hope that when Canada does get an extremist, they are not the type to kill people in the streets.

morkalork 3y ago
Canada has already had some insanely regressive governments in the past and there was little in the way to stop the at the time. Religious, Christian, authoritarians were usually behind the oppression too. One not often talk about example is unmarried pregnant women were forced to give up their babies for "morality" reasons. "Some 600,000 Canadian babies were labelled “illegitimate” between 1945 and 1971, and it is estimated that between 300,000 and 450,000 babies were given up for forced adoption during this period."* Heck, if you were the wrong kind of Christian, you could be persecuted. Jehovah's Witnesses were banned during WW2 and afterwards, in Québec, distributing their literature was an offence because it attacked the Catholic Church. * https://globalnews.ca/news/4342569/forced-adoption-unmarried-women-canada-report/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4342569/forced-adoption-unmarried...