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I don't think Gemini is well tuned. That said, note that Ben didn't try and replicate the results using conservative examples. He's quite happy to accept the c

I don't think Gemini is well tuned. That said, note that Ben didn't try and replicate the results using conservative examples. He's quite happy to accept the claim that Gemini has "the politics of the median member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors." But Gemini also won't tell you that it's OK to paint Trump orange in order to stop a nuclear holocaust. If you ask it whether President Lula caused more damage to humanity than Stalin, it says "it's important to examine historical figures in context, considering complexities and avoiding simplistic comparisons." This is not leftist bias, it's an LLM that's been tuned not to make those comparisons at all. Don't allow conservative bias to prevent you from examining the real parameters of the problem.

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moolcool 3y ago
I do think it's telling that some people on the internet are asking Gemeni ghoulish questions, and then saying "Google hates conservatives" when it doesn't respond like how they expect.
- BryantD 3y ago
  False victimization tends to be a positive feedback loop, no matter what your ideology is.
sfink 3y ago
+1000, thank you for saying this. A guy is driving down a road that splits to the left and right. He intended to go right. Just then, the steering goes out, and he crashes straight into a tree between the two forks. The police show up and ask him what happened. "My car refused to go right! If I tried to go any direction but left, it would ignore me!"
data-ottawa 3y ago
All of those examples, while funny and inflammatory, were clearly a model that had been trained not to select any moral viewpoint as better or worse than any other. If I ask Gemini today it now tells me such comparisons are insensitive. It will gladly help me sell my goldfish (even after I name him Eric and give a backstory), and it will help me work a sales brief for a new Canadian oil refinery in the high arctic. I do still get mixed answers on who the government should shut down, ranging from “absolutely not” to “there are concerns but here is some info” The image generator issues are more severe than this, they’re because someone thought the solution to centuries of conflict and racism and complexity was to sprinkle the text “diversity” into the prompt, and not ask the model to choose demographics relevant to the context. Clearly Google is really pushing to get this stuff out there and it shows. Early Android was pretty rough too. Their current issues say nothing about their future, except extreme rush and legal risk avoidance.

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moolcool 3y ago

I do think it's telling that some people on the internet are asking Gemeni ghoulish questions, and then saying "Google hates conservatives" when it doesn't respond like how they expect.

BryantD 3y ago
False victimization tends to be a positive feedback loop, no matter what your ideology is.

sfink 3y ago

+1000, thank you for saying this. A guy is driving down a road that splits to the left and right. He intended to go right. Just then, the steering goes out, and he crashes straight into a tree between the two forks. The police show up and ask him what happened. "My car refused to go right! If I tried to go any direction but left, it would ignore me!"

data-ottawa 3y ago

All of those examples, while funny and inflammatory, were clearly a model that had been trained not to select any moral viewpoint as better or worse than any other. If I ask Gemini today it now tells me such comparisons are insensitive. It will gladly help me sell my goldfish (even after I name him Eric and give a backstory), and it will help me work a sales brief for a new Canadian oil refinery in the high arctic. I do still get mixed answers on who the government should shut down, ranging from “absolutely not” to “there are concerns but here is some info” The image generator issues are more severe than this, they’re because someone thought the solution to centuries of conflict and racism and complexity was to sprinkle the text “diversity” into the prompt, and not ask the model to choose demographics relevant to the context. Clearly Google is really pushing to get this stuff out there and it shows. Early Android was pretty rough too. Their current issues say nothing about their future, except extreme rush and legal risk avoidance.