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This is a wonderfully-written piece, and it articulates the paradoxical nature of countercultures better than I've ever been able to. Punk Rock is dead, long li
by ryukoposting 3y ago
This is a wonderfully-written piece, and it articulates the paradoxical nature of countercultures better than I've ever been able to. Punk Rock is dead, long live Punk Rock.
I think there are real artistic countercultures out there, but they exist on the margins of art and society (as they must, innately). They're hard to discover, and even when they are discovered, they're inaccessible, bizarre, and disquieting (as they must be, innately).
I'm reminded of my record collection, and one record in particular: an autographed copy of The Great Annihilator, by Swans[1]. Besides the music itself, the peculiar thing about this record is the way it's autographed. Michael Gira signed it on the back, tucked away in the bottom corner. I've always wondered why he did it this way. Maybe it's a way of saying "here's my signature you materialistic loser, have fun trying to display this overpriced souvenir." Maybe it's a way of saying "appreciate the art as it was meant to be appreciated, don't use it as a display piece." Maybe I'm reading into it too much, and it means nothing at all.
[1]: They're a bit better known than they once were, but for anyone who doesn't know about them, go listen to some Swans. It's abrasive and uncomfortable, and you'll probably hate it. But it doesn't exist for the purpose of being abrasive and uncomfortable, and that's key. It's an artist's unfiltered creative vision. Incidentally, Cobain was a big Swans fan.
- AndyNemmity 3y agoI was listening to the Swans in the 90s, and I never felt they were abrasive, or uncomfortable. I don't have much to add, I just felt it was interesting hearing them described through someone else's lens very differently than I would. When I listen to them I hear beauty, and my childhood.
- JansjoFromIkea 3y agoI'd say some of the post-reunion (?) Swans material is a lot more consistently abrasive/uncomfortable. Most the 90s stuff to me sounds more like... gothy post-punky vibes?
- AndyNemmity 3y agoI would agree that it is much more gothy post-punky vibes to me. The Swans just had a lot of very differing material. Perhaps that's why I don't quite get the description.
- ryukoposting 3y agoThe Swans of my youth is the reunion Swans, so my perspective is probably warped by that. Swans' catalog has a pretty wide gamut of abrasiveness, for sure.