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Partly, I guess in effect at least, but I would reject people are embracing lgbt rights because it is "cool" on the whole. It's more like, would you say women's

Partly, I guess in effect at least, but I would reject people are embracing lgbt rights because it is "cool" on the whole. It's more like, would you say women's lib was this type of fad? Or black rights? Etc.

trimethylpurine 3y ago
I think the author is writing specifically about fashion and pop culture as a component of capitalism. The author would probably say that making pants for women was an effort to expand into a new demographic of customers, not to expand women's rights. Essentially, all movements are merely a product. Civil rights are the byproduct. And following that theory, the author predicts that LGBT culture, as a fashion product, will fade. For example, we'll probably stop seeing the force feed of obligatory LGBT scenes in film, to be replaced with obligatory <insert pop movement> scenes instead.
u32480932048 3y ago
It has absolutely become fashionable in the past few years, as evidenced by things the author (or maybe Hunter Thompson) wrote about, like having their own section in Target and ostensibly having support from Lockheed Martin (and every other company that wants to sell more products each June). The risk of yesterday is greatly diminished; "being LGBT++++" is now mostly a process of buying the right pronoun pins from Amazon or Etsy before swinging by Target for an unironed pride flag before the Bank of America-sponsored "protest" march. The gay and lesbian community that literally fought for basic rights is now being pushed out by a demographic that thinks anything but their idea of straight, vanilla missionary for the purpose of reproduction deserves a new gender. Gay men are basically straight men these days, especially among white kids who can afford to take university degrees that don't translate to jobs and would never be caught dead in a place resembling a 2005 gay bar. It's borderline cultural appropriation. Most of the fighting occurred well before most of today's fashionable TIAQW@(#)SDFKLSJDF+ were born: - DSM removed homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973; WHO in 1990. - The rainbow flag first flew in 1978. - The lessons of the hyper-aggressive response to the AIDS epidemic have all but been forgotten among the "blue hair & pronoouns" crowd. - Netherlands legalized same-sex marriage in 2000. - Lawrence v. Texas was 2003. Obergefell vs. Hodges was 2015 (nearly a decade ago). Nah, they're not doing it because the cops shut down the one bar they could hang out at and be themselves, or because the government and half the country is conspiring to keep them and their one true love apart. Everything I've seen points to a combination of attention-seeking and shoehorning their mediocre white suburban existences into the Oppression Pyramid, because that's the only way to signal that they're not Evil Colonizers. It's sad.
- u32480932048 3y ago
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- roflyear 3y ago
  > Everything I've seen points to a combination of attention-seeking and shoehorning their mediocre white suburban existences into the Oppression Pyramid, because that's the only way to signal that they're not Evil Colonizers. It's sad. If you attend a pride event, even in mostly white areas, you'll quickly realize that the majority of people there are not white.
  - u32480932048 3y ago
    It's definitely not a majority-white event, but I've never been condescended to by a Black, Asian, or Hispanic gay man or lesbian woman - or even a trans person, for that matter. One or two acute mental health episodes aside, they're all pretty chill. I can't say the same for a certain class of white, know-it-all college kid who insists I must be a semihemidemiqueer or somesuch because I can both iron my own clothes (no man can do this) and change a tire (no woman has ever succeeded). I'm old enough to remember a time when women were allowed to enjoy beer and football and men were allowed to like wine and TV dramas, because fuck gender roles and stereotypes. Now, we hold the stereotypes constant and assume we must have a oh-so-special gender because I like wine and beer, hate TV dramas, tolerate baseball, and can change a tire and iron my own clothes. It's poorly-conceived bullshit, and no number of secret downvotes or unreproducible social science studies will convince me otherwise.
    - roflyear 3y ago
      > I can't say the same for a certain class of white, know-it-all college kid It's rich privledged kids, man. Not white kids. Just like crime is not colored kids, it's poor kids.

trimethylpurine 3y ago

I think the author is writing specifically about fashion and pop culture as a component of capitalism. The author would probably say that making pants for women was an effort to expand into a new demographic of customers, not to expand women's rights. Essentially, all movements are merely a product. Civil rights are the byproduct. And following that theory, the author predicts that LGBT culture, as a fashion product, will fade. For example, we'll probably stop seeing the force feed of obligatory LGBT scenes in film, to be replaced with obligatory <insert pop movement> scenes instead.

u32480932048 3y ago

It has absolutely become fashionable in the past few years, as evidenced by things the author (or maybe Hunter Thompson) wrote about, like having their own section in Target and ostensibly having support from Lockheed Martin (and every other company that wants to sell more products each June). The risk of yesterday is greatly diminished; "being LGBT++++" is now mostly a process of buying the right pronoun pins from Amazon or Etsy before swinging by Target for an unironed pride flag before the Bank of America-sponsored "protest" march. The gay and lesbian community that literally fought for basic rights is now being pushed out by a demographic that thinks anything but their idea of straight, vanilla missionary for the purpose of reproduction deserves a new gender. Gay men are basically straight men these days, especially among white kids who can afford to take university degrees that don't translate to jobs and would never be caught dead in a place resembling a 2005 gay bar. It's borderline cultural appropriation. Most of the fighting occurred well before most of today's fashionable TIAQW@(#)SDFKLSJDF+ were born: - DSM removed homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973; WHO in 1990. - The rainbow flag first flew in 1978. - The lessons of the hyper-aggressive response to the AIDS epidemic have all but been forgotten among the "blue hair & pronoouns" crowd. - Netherlands legalized same-sex marriage in 2000. - Lawrence v. Texas was 2003. Obergefell vs. Hodges was 2015 (nearly a decade ago). Nah, they're not doing it because the cops shut down the one bar they could hang out at and be themselves, or because the government and half the country is conspiring to keep them and their one true love apart. Everything I've seen points to a combination of attention-seeking and shoehorning their mediocre white suburban existences into the Oppression Pyramid, because that's the only way to signal that they're not Evil Colonizers. It's sad.

u32480932048 3y ago
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roflyear 3y ago
> Everything I've seen points to a combination of attention-seeking and shoehorning their mediocre white suburban existences into the Oppression Pyramid, because that's the only way to signal that they're not Evil Colonizers. It's sad. If you attend a pride event, even in mostly white areas, you'll quickly realize that the majority of people there are not white.
- u32480932048 3y ago
  It's definitely not a majority-white event, but I've never been condescended to by a Black, Asian, or Hispanic gay man or lesbian woman - or even a trans person, for that matter. One or two acute mental health episodes aside, they're all pretty chill. I can't say the same for a certain class of white, know-it-all college kid who insists I must be a semihemidemiqueer or somesuch because I can both iron my own clothes (no man can do this) and change a tire (no woman has ever succeeded). I'm old enough to remember a time when women were allowed to enjoy beer and football and men were allowed to like wine and TV dramas, because fuck gender roles and stereotypes. Now, we hold the stereotypes constant and assume we must have a oh-so-special gender because I like wine and beer, hate TV dramas, tolerate baseball, and can change a tire and iron my own clothes. It's poorly-conceived bullshit, and no number of secret downvotes or unreproducible social science studies will convince me otherwise.
  - roflyear 3y ago
    > I can't say the same for a certain class of white, know-it-all college kid It's rich privledged kids, man. Not white kids. Just like crime is not colored kids, it's poor kids.