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Max Howell (creator of homebrew) is also behind tea.xyz imo that give them some more credibility or at least makes me think that they probably are well intenti

Max Howell (creator of homebrew) is also behind tea.xyz imo that give them some more credibility or at least makes me think that they probably are well intentioned

lucideer 3y ago
> more credibility I would say the opposite. Homebrew isn't a broadly well-respected project from a purely engineering perspective (i.e. by anyone who's engaged with it in earnest) - it gets contributions because it has user-capture / network effect, but there's a lot of contributors would would prefer to be publishing packages on a more nicely stewarded platform.
- packetlost 3y ago
  I wonder how good Nix support is on MacOS these days...
  - brirec 3y ago
    Pretty good, but you might still want to defer to Homebrew to install some software. Nix-Darwin _can_ drive Homebrew and basically manage its packages declaratively.
  - lucideer 3y ago
    I recently switched from MacPorts to Homebrew & from previous trials of Nix, MacPorts support is well ahead of Nix. I used MacPorts for many years without many issues - only recently just started to get a little too frustrated with some new utils that were Homebrew-only & finally capitulated. So you can get very far with MacPorts (& it's a far better system than brew). Be great to see something gain traction over Homebrew but I have a feeling many devs out there will only ever bother publishing on a single distribution platform for MacOS (whatever happens to be most popular).
    - cpach 3y ago
      Isn’t it best if the application developers just release their application on GitHub or similar, then package maintaners can package the software for their specific package manager? That’s how it works for many Linux distros, e.g. Debian etc etc.
      - lucideer 3y ago
        > That’s how it works for many Linux distros, e.g. Debian etc etc. Yes and no. It's certainly true of most packages but the smaller the package, the more likely it is that the distro package maintainer will be [a/the] maintainer of the original project, even with Debian. The same is true of Homebrew, etc. - most of the package maintainers aren't the original project maintainers, which is ultimately why MacPorts support is so comprehensive despite not having anywhere near the same user capture as Homebrew. But the places you see frustrating gaps will always be at the edges, where it may be the original project creator creating a Homebrew package & no-one packaging it for anything else.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  Are you kidding? I love Homebrew. I install it on my Linux devices too. It allows me to easily install up-to-date versions of just about any software I care about.
  - lucideer 3y ago
    You're a user - I'm purely referring to contributors. It's clearly gained popularity for good reasons - it's an API that is very user-oriented, with reasonably good UX for most people. The downsides are mainly related to issues users don't see (i.e. security).
    - shepherdjerred 3y ago
      You're right, I misread your comment.
    - ptx 3y ago
      What are some of the security issues? (Just curious. I don't use Homebrew.)
      - lucideer 3y ago
        Homebrew adds a location to your $PATH that is writable by unprivileged users. This means any non-root process has privileges to mask any binary on your system. They do this in the name of "convenience" - so that the Homebrew process can install apps without the user entering their password every time.
coldpie 3y ago
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- volkk 3y ago
  im confused, why's he a creep? did something happen?
  - coldpie 3y ago
    Did you read the article? Abusing open source projects and wasting maintainer time as part of your crypto-scam startup business model is super unethical.
jxi 3y ago
If anything this makes me seriously rethink my use of homebrew. I already had security-related concerns around it, but the fact that he launched this weird crypto thing that's going to cause a lot of spam on GitHub is pushing me even further away.
- mikemcquaid 3y ago
  It’s completely unrelated to Homebrew. We have zero connection to anything related to Tea and Max hasn’t been involved with Homebrew for the best part of a decade. Mike McQuaid, Homebrew Project Leader and Homebrew maintainer for the last 15 years.
  - urda 3y ago
    Thanks for Homebrew, it helps keep my Mac in line.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    OK Great Leader. People are noting that the “Homebrew guy” is behind two back-to-back stupid ideas (that package thing and this). You can’t deny that he was involved with Homebrew and that’s all that’s being said. The OSS CV thing can be a double-edged sword for all involved parties.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - acdha 3y ago
      > You can’t deny that he was involved with Homebrew and that’s all that’s being said. Unfortunately, this isn’t true. The comment you’re replying to was in response to someone saying they’d reconsider using Homebrew now over this, and that sentiment has been common in social media.
    - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
      You need to take a break from the internet
aChattuio 3y ago
That definitely let me reconsider retrying nix as my package manager on macos :-( Sry but if someone in 2024 still thinks web3 is an answer...

Max Howell (creator of homebrew) is also behind tea.xyz imo that give them some more credibility or at least makes me think that they probably are well intentioned

lucideer 3y ago

> more credibility I would say the opposite. Homebrew isn't a broadly well-respected project from a purely engineering perspective (i.e. by anyone who's engaged with it in earnest) - it gets contributions because it has user-capture / network effect, but there's a lot of contributors would would prefer to be publishing packages on a more nicely stewarded platform.

packetlost 3y ago
I wonder how good Nix support is on MacOS these days...
- brirec 3y ago
  Pretty good, but you might still want to defer to Homebrew to install some software. Nix-Darwin _can_ drive Homebrew and basically manage its packages declaratively.
- lucideer 3y ago
  I recently switched from MacPorts to Homebrew & from previous trials of Nix, MacPorts support is well ahead of Nix. I used MacPorts for many years without many issues - only recently just started to get a little too frustrated with some new utils that were Homebrew-only & finally capitulated. So you can get very far with MacPorts (& it's a far better system than brew). Be great to see something gain traction over Homebrew but I have a feeling many devs out there will only ever bother publishing on a single distribution platform for MacOS (whatever happens to be most popular).
  - cpach 3y ago
    Isn’t it best if the application developers just release their application on GitHub or similar, then package maintaners can package the software for their specific package manager? That’s how it works for many Linux distros, e.g. Debian etc etc.
    - lucideer 3y ago
      > That’s how it works for many Linux distros, e.g. Debian etc etc. Yes and no. It's certainly true of most packages but the smaller the package, the more likely it is that the distro package maintainer will be [a/the] maintainer of the original project, even with Debian. The same is true of Homebrew, etc. - most of the package maintainers aren't the original project maintainers, which is ultimately why MacPorts support is so comprehensive despite not having anywhere near the same user capture as Homebrew. But the places you see frustrating gaps will always be at the edges, where it may be the original project creator creating a Homebrew package & no-one packaging it for anything else.
shepherdjerred 3y ago
Are you kidding? I love Homebrew. I install it on my Linux devices too. It allows me to easily install up-to-date versions of just about any software I care about.
- lucideer 3y ago
  You're a user - I'm purely referring to contributors. It's clearly gained popularity for good reasons - it's an API that is very user-oriented, with reasonably good UX for most people. The downsides are mainly related to issues users don't see (i.e. security).
  - shepherdjerred 3y ago
    You're right, I misread your comment.
  - ptx 3y ago
    What are some of the security issues? (Just curious. I don't use Homebrew.)
    - lucideer 3y ago
      Homebrew adds a location to your $PATH that is writable by unprivileged users. This means any non-root process has privileges to mask any binary on your system. They do this in the name of "convenience" - so that the Homebrew process can install apps without the user entering their password every time.

coldpie 3y ago

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volkk 3y ago
im confused, why's he a creep? did something happen?
- coldpie 3y ago
  Did you read the article? Abusing open source projects and wasting maintainer time as part of your crypto-scam startup business model is super unethical.

jxi 3y ago

If anything this makes me seriously rethink my use of homebrew. I already had security-related concerns around it, but the fact that he launched this weird crypto thing that's going to cause a lot of spam on GitHub is pushing me even further away.

mikemcquaid 3y ago
It’s completely unrelated to Homebrew. We have zero connection to anything related to Tea and Max hasn’t been involved with Homebrew for the best part of a decade. Mike McQuaid, Homebrew Project Leader and Homebrew maintainer for the last 15 years.
- urda 3y ago
  Thanks for Homebrew, it helps keep my Mac in line.
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  OK Great Leader. People are noting that the “Homebrew guy” is behind two back-to-back stupid ideas (that package thing and this). You can’t deny that he was involved with Homebrew and that’s all that’s being said. The OSS CV thing can be a double-edged sword for all involved parties.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - acdha 3y ago
    > You can’t deny that he was involved with Homebrew and that’s all that’s being said. Unfortunately, this isn’t true. The comment you’re replying to was in response to someone saying they’d reconsider using Homebrew now over this, and that sentiment has been common in social media.
  - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
    You need to take a break from the internet

aChattuio 3y ago

That definitely let me reconsider retrying nix as my package manager on macos :-( Sry but if someone in 2024 still thinks web3 is an answer...