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I don't have access to the article, but what makes them so pro-crime? You may be over simplifying things. If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves,

by giarc 3y ago

I don't have access to the article, but what makes them so pro-crime? You may be over simplifying things. If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men. This is likely organized crime so the leaders aren't out there prowling the neighbourhoods. As for the rural property, it might not even be theirs. It could just be any rural property. Ontario, being the most populous of Canadian provinces is still very sparsely populated. A short drive from most big cities can put you in a rural area where owners haven't visited a property in decades.

simonsarris 3y ago
> If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men This is a maddening learned helplessness. In some cities the majority of crime is done by less than 100 people. You can find dozens of examples of this, eg purse thefts in the 90's being one person, or 90% of bike theft being attributed to 11 people. Both anecdotes: https://twitter.com/AnechoicMedia_/status/1761773037358133545 https://twitter.com/AnechoicMedia_/status/176177303735813354... Claiming that new people will magically spring up to take their place is nonsensical, so long as the punishment is not letting them go 5 hours later, as it is in some cities. There is no reason to believe that prosecuting crime will not lower crime and it is fabulous to believe that.
bookofjoe 3y ago
Does this not work for you?: https://archive.ph/BUjPI https://archive.ph/BUjPI
shuckles 3y ago
Actually recruiting criminals is not that easy. Most people aren’t looking to be criminals, especially when crime doesn’t pay.
wonderwonder 3y ago
"If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men" Put them in prison for 10 years first offense. 2nd offence, 15 years and so on. Eventually you run out of people willing to spend decades of their lives in prison to steal a CRV. Set bail at $15k.
tengbretson 3y ago
> If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men. What is currently preventing you from taking up the mantle of car thief? Is it simply that some else is already doing it?

by giarc 3y ago

simonsarris 3y ago

> If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men This is a maddening learned helplessness. In some cities the majority of crime is done by less than 100 people. You can find dozens of examples of this, eg purse thefts in the 90's being one person, or 90% of bike theft being attributed to 11 people. Both anecdotes: https://twitter.com/AnechoicMedia_/status/1761773037358133545 https://twitter.com/AnechoicMedia_/status/176177303735813354... Claiming that new people will magically spring up to take their place is nonsensical, so long as the punishment is not letting them go 5 hours later, as it is in some cities. There is no reason to believe that prosecuting crime will not lower crime and it is fabulous to believe that.

bookofjoe 3y ago

Does this not work for you?: https://archive.ph/BUjPI https://archive.ph/BUjPI

shuckles 3y ago

Actually recruiting criminals is not that easy. Most people aren’t looking to be criminals, especially when crime doesn’t pay.

wonderwonder 3y ago

"If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men" Put them in prison for 10 years first offense. 2nd offence, 15 years and so on. Eventually you run out of people willing to spend decades of their lives in prison to steal a CRV. Set bail at $15k.

tengbretson 3y ago

> If you set up some bait cars and catch some thieves, they will probably just be replaced with other low level men. What is currently preventing you from taking up the mantle of car thief? Is it simply that some else is already doing it?