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And vertical farms are among the most pointless things one can do... Transforming office space to housing would solve, or at least help solving, a real world pr

by hef19898 3y ago

And vertical farms are among the most pointless things one can do... Transforming office space to housing would solve, or at least help solving, a real world problem so.

aussieguy1234 3y ago
This can be done, but it's not easy or cheap: https://theconversation.com/empty-office-spaces-can-be-converted-to-residential-buildings-but-it-wont-be-affordable-207168 https://theconversation.com/empty-office-spaces-can-be-conve... Office buildings and housing blocks are designed differently.
- koliber 3y ago
  I’m curious if it is easier to convert an office building into a vertical farm or into an apartment building.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Probably to a vertical farm as that avoids the whole interior apartments are required to have windows regulations. The developer would likely want to remove alternate non load bearing floor|ceilings to optimise for automated farm tray stacking heights. There are several modular designs that can be fitted into large open spaces ~two story clearance.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      And it would still be pointless and the opposite of profitable. With enough VC money on the other hand... It seems the vertical farming hype is over quite a while so.
      - defrost 3y ago
        And yet in the UK two separate companies are opening second and third vertical farm locations on the back of demonstrated profits with their earlier endeavours. eg: https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2024/02/20/jones-food-company-opens-new-vertical-farm https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2024/02/20/jones-f... The questions then are why are V-Farms profitable in some locations and not others, where are the locations with cheap enough energy that can compete on local area transportation costs against salad and table vegetable farmers with higher transport issues, etc. FWiW I agree that back fitting V-Farms into vacant "designed for office use" isn't likely to be profitable, they're better with (see link) open greenfield warehouse spaces with loading docks and a clean slate to optimise layout for tray handling, lifting machines, etc.
        hef19898 3y ago
        So, three vertical farms, of which one was, propably, profitable. That revolutionizes everything!
        defrost 3y ago
        Two new V-Farms, one as the third of three owned by one comapny, the other as the second of two owned by a second company. Ergo five V-Farms, of which three are likely profitable. If you're going for low hanging snark at least learn to parse English and math a bit.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Didn't read your source, but I did follow the reporting on the death of vertical farming on HN a while ago. Confirmed everything I knew about the field. That someone can make it work, great (we'll see long term so). We are still lightyears away from the agricultural revolution for which people stoll try to sell vertical farming. I like the low hanging snark joke, goes well with the subject matter at hand! Edit: Just read the article. Nice PR piece for two vertical farm companies. All that articles contains is claims from the founders and their companies, nothing else. Could be ripped straight of the company websites. Also, 3.6 acres... that is nothing.
  - falserum 3y ago
    Since we need both, appartments and farms, let’s extend that to: convert office building into appartment and have horizontal farm vs convert office building into vertical farm and build new appartment.
- beaeglebeached 3y ago
  Those mods can be done hilariously cheap vs starting with a raw block of land with no utilities. Just having a foundation with exterior walls and utilities ran to it, even undersized, is massive time save.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    To start with,for many conversions you might need changes to the exterior walls to be able to pack in enough flats with required access to windows, depending on your local regulations, so it's not a given even the exterior walls would be untouched. It certainly can be done - given many have been done, but it's not at all a given it'll be cheaper for all properties vs. tearing it down (which would still keep the utilities to the property, of course) and starting over.

And vertical farms are among the most pointless things one can do... Transforming office space to housing would solve, or at least help solving, a real world problem so.

aussieguy1234 3y ago

This can be done, but it's not easy or cheap: https://theconversation.com/empty-office-spaces-can-be-converted-to-residential-buildings-but-it-wont-be-affordable-207168 https://theconversation.com/empty-office-spaces-can-be-conve... Office buildings and housing blocks are designed differently.

koliber 3y ago
I’m curious if it is easier to convert an office building into a vertical farm or into an apartment building.
- defrost 3y ago
  Probably to a vertical farm as that avoids the whole interior apartments are required to have windows regulations. The developer would likely want to remove alternate non load bearing floor|ceilings to optimise for automated farm tray stacking heights. There are several modular designs that can be fitted into large open spaces ~two story clearance.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    And it would still be pointless and the opposite of profitable. With enough VC money on the other hand... It seems the vertical farming hype is over quite a while so.
    - defrost 3y ago
      And yet in the UK two separate companies are opening second and third vertical farm locations on the back of demonstrated profits with their earlier endeavours. eg: https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2024/02/20/jones-food-company-opens-new-vertical-farm https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2024/02/20/jones-f... The questions then are why are V-Farms profitable in some locations and not others, where are the locations with cheap enough energy that can compete on local area transportation costs against salad and table vegetable farmers with higher transport issues, etc. FWiW I agree that back fitting V-Farms into vacant "designed for office use" isn't likely to be profitable, they're better with (see link) open greenfield warehouse spaces with loading docks and a clean slate to optimise layout for tray handling, lifting machines, etc.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        So, three vertical farms, of which one was, propably, profitable. That revolutionizes everything!
        defrost 3y ago
        Two new V-Farms, one as the third of three owned by one comapny, the other as the second of two owned by a second company. Ergo five V-Farms, of which three are likely profitable. If you're going for low hanging snark at least learn to parse English and math a bit.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Didn't read your source, but I did follow the reporting on the death of vertical farming on HN a while ago. Confirmed everything I knew about the field. That someone can make it work, great (we'll see long term so). We are still lightyears away from the agricultural revolution for which people stoll try to sell vertical farming. I like the low hanging snark joke, goes well with the subject matter at hand! Edit: Just read the article. Nice PR piece for two vertical farm companies. All that articles contains is claims from the founders and their companies, nothing else. Could be ripped straight of the company websites. Also, 3.6 acres... that is nothing.
- falserum 3y ago
  Since we need both, appartments and farms, let’s extend that to: convert office building into appartment and have horizontal farm vs convert office building into vertical farm and build new appartment.
beaeglebeached 3y ago
Those mods can be done hilariously cheap vs starting with a raw block of land with no utilities. Just having a foundation with exterior walls and utilities ran to it, even undersized, is massive time save.
- vidarh 3y ago
  To start with,for many conversions you might need changes to the exterior walls to be able to pack in enough flats with required access to windows, depending on your local regulations, so it's not a given even the exterior walls would be untouched. It certainly can be done - given many have been done, but it's not at all a given it'll be cheaper for all properties vs. tearing it down (which would still keep the utilities to the property, of course) and starting over.