> I see all sorts of problems with the "western" (as if the Americas much less Europe and the US and/or Africa could be painted with that broad a brush) consume

> I see all sorts of problems with the "western" (as if the Americas much less Europe and the US and/or Africa could be painted with that broad a brush) consumer economics led growth. Then, surely you agree with the OP, who wrote for reference “We could also choose to reform political and economic systems that make western-style societies so un-ecological”. There was no comparison with anything other than what western society could be, no need to get the Chinese bogeyman. I am European. I have no clue about how to fix India, for example, because I don’t know the country enough. I don’t really want to live there, or in China, because I think that for all their flaws, life in European democracies is rather good. I am still advocating for “reform[ing] political and economic systems that make western-style societies so un-ecological”. What is the problem in that? Why assume nastiness when reading other people’s posts?