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BYD unveils $230K supercar, $14K hatchback in same week

34 points by xbmcuser 3y ago

reaperman 3y ago
Will either be available for sale in USA?
- tareqak 3y ago
  > The vehicle—priced at 1.68 million yuan ($233,450)—can reach 100 km/h (62 mph) in 2.36 seconds and reach a top speed of 309.19 km/h, the company said. It can also spin in place and enter dance mode, as videos posted on social media showed. > The car will be available only in China for now, though traders taking advantage of a loophole have been selling luxury Chinese EVs to overseas customers who view them as status symbols—even in markets where they’re not yet officially available. The luxury one is only officially available in China. The cheaper one ‘s paragraph made no mention of where it would be on sale.
  - blagie 3y ago
    A small EV, even capped at 25MPH to reach regulatory threshold of not being a car, with a range of <100km, with four seats (and optionally, no trunk, or a front trunk so you don't need all the mechanicals) would sell like hotcakes in some cities. Requirements: - Easy to park - Goes far enough to get kids to school and back - Adequate for occasional trip for groceries
    - meetingthrower 3y ago
      Exactly. I've come to the belief that we need to attack the regulatory environment to allow this to happen. Those oldsters driving golf karts all over the Florida retirement communities have it right! But it is basically illegal everywhere without dedicated lanes and regulatory permission.
      - EGG_CREAM 3y ago
        That’s because it’s dangerous to mix those types of vehicles with full size cars and trucks on the same street. Think about how much drivers hate bikes, and they take up almost no space at all.
        blagie 3y ago
        Important caveat: It's not dangerous at all if streets are designed for it. My city's roads are a dumpster fire due to one-wheel idiot-devices, electric scooters, and other micromobility. With the exception of one-wheel idiot-devices, I've seen all the same stuff work in other cities beautifully, which had adapted infrastructure to them. I love micromobility done right, and I hate it done locally.
        EGG_CREAM 3y ago
        Excellent point! I’m not against non-car transportation at all, and generally am of the belief that if a policy decision is bad for cars it’s probably good for everyone. But in my city, at least, the other pieces of transportation are an afterthought and it can be really dangerous.
    - pornel 3y ago
      You're describing Citroen Ami.
      - arethuza 3y ago
        Only two seats though? Edit: Not that I think that this is a big problem.
    - yurishimo 3y ago
      There are quite a few of these in Amsterdam and other Dutch cities. I don't know if I've ever seen one with more than 2 seats however (but they probably exist). Limited to 45kmph and enough trunk space for some groceries. Keeps the rain off you and they are easy to maneuver in the tight canal lined city streets.
- xbmcuser 3y ago
  They are planning to build factories in Mexico from what I have read so once those factories are up and running. I expect not before that as direct chinese imports have many tariffs. With the noise starting to come out of US politicians about chinese spying using its electric cars it looks like US car makers and politicians are slowly waking up to the fact that by trying to follow and copy tesla they have been blindsided by cheap chinese ev car manufacturers
  - whaleofatw2022 3y ago
    They'd have to do a lot more than assembly in Mexico to get around tariffs... Newer rules require vehicles to have a certain amount of content from US/CA/MX to get around the tariffs. That's a big part of why a bunch of smaller vehicles (e.x. Honda Fit, Mazda 2) left the US market, they were assembled in Mexico but did not have enough local content to keep avoiding duties.
tareqak 3y ago
The iOS reader mode seems to yield what seems like the full text of this article as of 00:50 Pacific time Monday, February 26, 2024. > But BYD, backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, is more versatile than many might realize. I assume “backed” here means that Berkshire Hathaway has an investment in BYD, which is news to me.
- tibbydudeza 3y ago
  He invested way back due to their battery technology , before they started making EV's.
  - xbmcuser 3y ago
    It was Charlie Munger led investment who till his death few months back was of the opinion it was his single greatest investment for Berkshire Hathaway.
    - tibbydudeza 3y ago
      Charlie had to convince Warren - he was off the opinion BYD > Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwhDh9mTLa4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwhDh9mTLa4
- blitzar 3y ago
  My linkedin says I am early and seed investor in 100 tech companies. I own $2.75 of a Nasdaq ETF from a while back.
worklaptopacct 3y ago
I live in Germany and I've recently booked a cheap car with Hertz for a weekend trip. At the rental office, they offered me to upgrade to a premium EV for no additional cost, because most people rent a car for medium to long distance trips like I did, and the range, charging speed and charger availability makes driving an EV into too much of a hassle. We've had about 200 kilometers one way and a charger at the destination, so we went for it. This made me think about the viability of EVs in places like Europe where inner-city driving is discouraged and there is a lot of public transit options. Among the people I know, if someone is thinking of buying a car, they plan to use it for leisure trips - public transport outside of major population centers tends to be unreliable and insufficient, and if you have kids, then it's straight out impossible to travel without a car. That's why convenience is king when people choose a car here - having to stop every 300-400 kilometers for an hour to charge your car is not something people would gladly plan for. I guess that Americans might have different priorities, as everyone has a car that is being used within the metropolitan area most of the time, so this means more shorter trips with breaks that could be used for charging.
- cypress66 3y ago
  > having to stop every 300-400 kilometers for an hour More like 20 minutes to charge that much in something like a model 3.
  - lelag 3y ago
    Indeed, that's not true that travelling long distance is too much of a hassle for most people, that's just fearmongging from the anti-EV crowd. Sure, if you are the type with a superhuman bladder who can drive 1000 kilometers with no stop, then an EV will be slower. But for most people, and especially if you are travelling with kids, the right EV (like the model 3 you suggest), will not make much of difference with a petrol cars. Sure you will be stopping between 20 to 30 minutes every 2 to 3 hours but you should probably do so regardless of the car engine type. I did saw some unexpected drawbacks however: - you have less options about where and when to stop - Tesla chargers are often in malls and shopping centers, and I found those stops can actually become quite expensive when travelling with 2 shopping addicted teenage girls... - stop often end up being longer than planned due to said teenagers not coming back in time once the car is ready...
ciconia 3y ago
https://archive.ph/xAuTB https://archive.ph/xAuTB
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
First thing which comes to my mind are spare parts and repair manuals. Are they going to be available or is it going to be 14k USD one use car?

34 points by xbmcuser 3y ago

reaperman 3y ago

Will either be available for sale in USA?

tareqak 3y ago
> The vehicle—priced at 1.68 million yuan ($233,450)—can reach 100 km/h (62 mph) in 2.36 seconds and reach a top speed of 309.19 km/h, the company said. It can also spin in place and enter dance mode, as videos posted on social media showed. > The car will be available only in China for now, though traders taking advantage of a loophole have been selling luxury Chinese EVs to overseas customers who view them as status symbols—even in markets where they’re not yet officially available. The luxury one is only officially available in China. The cheaper one ‘s paragraph made no mention of where it would be on sale.
- blagie 3y ago
  A small EV, even capped at 25MPH to reach regulatory threshold of not being a car, with a range of <100km, with four seats (and optionally, no trunk, or a front trunk so you don't need all the mechanicals) would sell like hotcakes in some cities. Requirements: - Easy to park - Goes far enough to get kids to school and back - Adequate for occasional trip for groceries
  - meetingthrower 3y ago
    Exactly. I've come to the belief that we need to attack the regulatory environment to allow this to happen. Those oldsters driving golf karts all over the Florida retirement communities have it right! But it is basically illegal everywhere without dedicated lanes and regulatory permission.
    - EGG_CREAM 3y ago
      That’s because it’s dangerous to mix those types of vehicles with full size cars and trucks on the same street. Think about how much drivers hate bikes, and they take up almost no space at all.
      - blagie 3y ago
        Important caveat: It's not dangerous at all if streets are designed for it. My city's roads are a dumpster fire due to one-wheel idiot-devices, electric scooters, and other micromobility. With the exception of one-wheel idiot-devices, I've seen all the same stuff work in other cities beautifully, which had adapted infrastructure to them. I love micromobility done right, and I hate it done locally.
        EGG_CREAM 3y ago
        Excellent point! I’m not against non-car transportation at all, and generally am of the belief that if a policy decision is bad for cars it’s probably good for everyone. But in my city, at least, the other pieces of transportation are an afterthought and it can be really dangerous.
  - pornel 3y ago
    You're describing Citroen Ami.
    - arethuza 3y ago
      Only two seats though? Edit: Not that I think that this is a big problem.
  - yurishimo 3y ago
    There are quite a few of these in Amsterdam and other Dutch cities. I don't know if I've ever seen one with more than 2 seats however (but they probably exist). Limited to 45kmph and enough trunk space for some groceries. Keeps the rain off you and they are easy to maneuver in the tight canal lined city streets.
xbmcuser 3y ago
They are planning to build factories in Mexico from what I have read so once those factories are up and running. I expect not before that as direct chinese imports have many tariffs. With the noise starting to come out of US politicians about chinese spying using its electric cars it looks like US car makers and politicians are slowly waking up to the fact that by trying to follow and copy tesla they have been blindsided by cheap chinese ev car manufacturers
- whaleofatw2022 3y ago
  They'd have to do a lot more than assembly in Mexico to get around tariffs... Newer rules require vehicles to have a certain amount of content from US/CA/MX to get around the tariffs. That's a big part of why a bunch of smaller vehicles (e.x. Honda Fit, Mazda 2) left the US market, they were assembled in Mexico but did not have enough local content to keep avoiding duties.

tareqak 3y ago

The iOS reader mode seems to yield what seems like the full text of this article as of 00:50 Pacific time Monday, February 26, 2024. > But BYD, backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, is more versatile than many might realize. I assume “backed” here means that Berkshire Hathaway has an investment in BYD, which is news to me.

tibbydudeza 3y ago
He invested way back due to their battery technology , before they started making EV's.
- xbmcuser 3y ago
  It was Charlie Munger led investment who till his death few months back was of the opinion it was his single greatest investment for Berkshire Hathaway.
  - tibbydudeza 3y ago
    Charlie had to convince Warren - he was off the opinion BYD > Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwhDh9mTLa4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwhDh9mTLa4
blitzar 3y ago
My linkedin says I am early and seed investor in 100 tech companies. I own $2.75 of a Nasdaq ETF from a while back.

worklaptopacct 3y ago

I live in Germany and I've recently booked a cheap car with Hertz for a weekend trip. At the rental office, they offered me to upgrade to a premium EV for no additional cost, because most people rent a car for medium to long distance trips like I did, and the range, charging speed and charger availability makes driving an EV into too much of a hassle. We've had about 200 kilometers one way and a charger at the destination, so we went for it. This made me think about the viability of EVs in places like Europe where inner-city driving is discouraged and there is a lot of public transit options. Among the people I know, if someone is thinking of buying a car, they plan to use it for leisure trips - public transport outside of major population centers tends to be unreliable and insufficient, and if you have kids, then it's straight out impossible to travel without a car. That's why convenience is king when people choose a car here - having to stop every 300-400 kilometers for an hour to charge your car is not something people would gladly plan for. I guess that Americans might have different priorities, as everyone has a car that is being used within the metropolitan area most of the time, so this means more shorter trips with breaks that could be used for charging.

cypress66 3y ago
> having to stop every 300-400 kilometers for an hour More like 20 minutes to charge that much in something like a model 3.
- lelag 3y ago
  Indeed, that's not true that travelling long distance is too much of a hassle for most people, that's just fearmongging from the anti-EV crowd. Sure, if you are the type with a superhuman bladder who can drive 1000 kilometers with no stop, then an EV will be slower. But for most people, and especially if you are travelling with kids, the right EV (like the model 3 you suggest), will not make much of difference with a petrol cars. Sure you will be stopping between 20 to 30 minutes every 2 to 3 hours but you should probably do so regardless of the car engine type. I did saw some unexpected drawbacks however: - you have less options about where and when to stop - Tesla chargers are often in malls and shopping centers, and I found those stops can actually become quite expensive when travelling with 2 shopping addicted teenage girls... - stop often end up being longer than planned due to said teenagers not coming back in time once the car is ready...

ciconia 3y ago

https://archive.ph/xAuTB https://archive.ph/xAuTB

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

First thing which comes to my mind are spare parts and repair manuals. Are they going to be available or is it going to be 14k USD one use car?