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But have we seen that many people calling themselves socialists not ending up with the same problem ? Socialism doesnt work because it doesnt consider greed as

by xwolfi 3y ago

But have we seen that many people calling themselves socialists not ending up with the same problem ? Socialism doesnt work because it doesnt consider greed as a positive force. Starting from there, every sign of greed is suppressed until remains only an oppressive bureaucracy in charge of hammering any sign of attempt of maybe earning something. Socialism is not evil, it's even benevolent: but it's flawed because it ignore 50% of human nature. Better let people deal with their greed in a monitored sandbox that averages out excesses. And that is never called socialism, since it derives too much from accepted socialist dogma. I live in Hong Kong, so I know how hard the balance is to strike. But socialism worked so little here that most people are 3rd generation immigrants who fled collectivisation, loss of property right and only desire to be left alone by the evangelists of a better world. It's hard to hear people who leave in free capitalist sandboxes lecture us about how socialism could maybe work. Try and weep, as we did.

kurthr 3y ago
Wait, Hong Kong was socialist before the National Security Law was passed? I've spent some months in HK-Kowloon (2002-2016) and it was one of the most capitalist places I've ever visited from the entrepreneurs running food stalls and working night markets, to the media (granted my Cantonese is minimal, but there were english language newspapers), to the massive banking business. There was a desperation, hustle, and exploitation along with the positives I expect from capitalism. There seemed to be basic social support, housing, and medical care... but that's true in the US, which I think is not socialist. It seems to me that most of Europe is more socialist, but I'm not here to judge what people want or what's best for them. Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, and even Germany, France or England are more socialist than I've experienced in HK, TW, or Singapore. They have pretty well established democracies and rule of law, but basic needs like food/health/housing/child care are pretty well comfortably provided by their governments. More so than past the New Territories. I really wish you the best in HK now. It's a beautiful place full of great people who've worked really hard. Financial leverage provided a lot of jobs and made the rich wealthy, but if that investment fails to turn a profit, everyone will have to pay for it.
prmoustache 3y ago
Socialism / communism is nice in theory but not applicable country wide. I would argue that it could be applicable in a voluntary mode in more smaller states (city sized) where people not agreeing would have the freedom to leave.
0dayz 3y ago
>greed is good And yet the USA have had 2 economic recession due to greed and it was regulation who saved the day. Capitalism doesn't even thrive under greed, as it incentives any means necessary to get more even if it's illegal.

by xwolfi 3y ago

kurthr 3y ago

Wait, Hong Kong was socialist before the National Security Law was passed? I've spent some months in HK-Kowloon (2002-2016) and it was one of the most capitalist places I've ever visited from the entrepreneurs running food stalls and working night markets, to the media (granted my Cantonese is minimal, but there were english language newspapers), to the massive banking business. There was a desperation, hustle, and exploitation along with the positives I expect from capitalism. There seemed to be basic social support, housing, and medical care... but that's true in the US, which I think is not socialist. It seems to me that most of Europe is more socialist, but I'm not here to judge what people want or what's best for them. Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, and even Germany, France or England are more socialist than I've experienced in HK, TW, or Singapore. They have pretty well established democracies and rule of law, but basic needs like food/health/housing/child care are pretty well comfortably provided by their governments. More so than past the New Territories. I really wish you the best in HK now. It's a beautiful place full of great people who've worked really hard. Financial leverage provided a lot of jobs and made the rich wealthy, but if that investment fails to turn a profit, everyone will have to pay for it.

prmoustache 3y ago

Socialism / communism is nice in theory but not applicable country wide. I would argue that it could be applicable in a voluntary mode in more smaller states (city sized) where people not agreeing would have the freedom to leave.

0dayz 3y ago

>greed is good And yet the USA have had 2 economic recession due to greed and it was regulation who saved the day. Capitalism doesn't even thrive under greed, as it incentives any means necessary to get more even if it's illegal.