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You do realize if the company doesn't make money you won't have a job right? > Vacations get rejected because it doesn't follow the rules even if it doesn't ma

by dudul 3y ago

You do realize if the company doesn't make money you won't have a job right? > Vacations get rejected because it doesn't follow the rules even if it doesn't make any sense, if an employee doesn't have any tasks to do and wants to take a day off at the end of the week, they can't, it has to be after two weeks What are the rules? To give a 2 week notice to take time off? If it's regular PTO it sounds completely reasonable to me. How is the world going crazy and the times being stressful by the way?

nwhnwh 3y ago
For others reading the comments here... please ignore this comment and don't engage with whatever this is.
- EchoChamberMan 3y ago
  This is HN which homes many owners and managers who possess perspectives very different from your average person, i.e. disconnected from reality. [Edit] Not all people of course.
  - bruce511 3y ago
    There's no such thing as "reality". There is a spectrum of behaviour, circumstance, environment, experience and so on. Equally there's no "average" person, everyone is different, in a different place. Yes, this forum includes people who work in large companies, small companies, established and startups. Yes, it includes founders, investors, managers employees, and unemployed. It is easy to demonise those not like you. It is convenient to blame your ills on some other class, management or VCs or employees or whatever. Particularly in the "ask" section of this site it can be helpful to hear from folks in other strata because they can help temper expectations. I might posit that it's unreasonable to expect employees to do emails on weekends. Equally I might point our that larger orgs tend to have stricter rules than smaller organisations- and the reasoning for those arguments may be complex. Or, as the top response here helpfully says, it's not usual for and employer to act as emotional support. Hearing the other point of view, seeing the issue from all sides, and engaging in dialog rather than dismissing the opinions of others can be more productive for all parties in the long run.
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    - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
      "There is no reality." Tell that to physics. Every other post here argues their point with evidence of "in my experience..." which, given there are billions of people, is kind of superficial. If they even bother to provide evidence at all. "Alternative facts" is a euphemism for "lies". > please ignore this comment and don't engage with whatever this is. Clearly the poster has some skepticism about the comment, which I was trying to reaffirm for him. The top post currently includes "People don't leave jobs, people leave managers." It may not be the top post for long though, things can change. I'm loving this article right now[1]; tell me, are we really in a "free-market" when there is collusion and corruption at the highest levels? [1] https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/bombshell-potential-criminal-activity https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/bombshell-potential-crimi...
      - bruce511 3y ago
        Sure in physics there is definitive reality. But you weren't using the word in that context, and I wasn't responding in a physics context. As I mentioned, experience is on a spectrum, and so you can find someone with any experience you like. It's dangerous to generalise from experience. And no, there's nothing "free" about the free market. A completely free market would abuse customers in the name of profits. Regulation is the tool consumers use to prevent the market from leveraging its position in negative ways. When parts of the govt are determined not to govern, to prevent regulations being enforced, to prioritise company, party and profit over country, then you get an environment which is ripe for exploitation.
        EchoChamberMan 3y ago
        Don't piss on my leg (or more accurately, let your friend do it), and tell me it's raining. The poster was being verbally abused while he is suffering, and I'm trying to mitigate that suffering with understanding. I'm not here to sing koombahya with theives and liars. Have a good day! [Edit] Less than one percent of the US population owns nearly 50 percent of the wealth. The reality is many rich people never took a half a second in their life to think about other people with empathy or compassion. Many even try to create further imbalance in their favor. "Civility" is used here as an excuse by many to be sociopaths. One person I interacted with named themselves after a serial killer. I refuse to normalize it. That's going to upset people and get me down votes. C'est la vie. (That is life).
- linsomniac 3y ago
  The reply doesn't seem to be unreasonable to me.

by dudul 3y ago

nwhnwh 3y ago

For others reading the comments here... please ignore this comment and don't engage with whatever this is.

EchoChamberMan 3y ago
This is HN which homes many owners and managers who possess perspectives very different from your average person, i.e. disconnected from reality. [Edit] Not all people of course.
- bruce511 3y ago
  There's no such thing as "reality". There is a spectrum of behaviour, circumstance, environment, experience and so on. Equally there's no "average" person, everyone is different, in a different place. Yes, this forum includes people who work in large companies, small companies, established and startups. Yes, it includes founders, investors, managers employees, and unemployed. It is easy to demonise those not like you. It is convenient to blame your ills on some other class, management or VCs or employees or whatever. Particularly in the "ask" section of this site it can be helpful to hear from folks in other strata because they can help temper expectations. I might posit that it's unreasonable to expect employees to do emails on weekends. Equally I might point our that larger orgs tend to have stricter rules than smaller organisations- and the reasoning for those arguments may be complex. Or, as the top response here helpfully says, it's not usual for and employer to act as emotional support. Hearing the other point of view, seeing the issue from all sides, and engaging in dialog rather than dismissing the opinions of others can be more productive for all parties in the long run.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
    "There is no reality." Tell that to physics. Every other post here argues their point with evidence of "in my experience..." which, given there are billions of people, is kind of superficial. If they even bother to provide evidence at all. "Alternative facts" is a euphemism for "lies". > please ignore this comment and don't engage with whatever this is. Clearly the poster has some skepticism about the comment, which I was trying to reaffirm for him. The top post currently includes "People don't leave jobs, people leave managers." It may not be the top post for long though, things can change. I'm loving this article right now[1]; tell me, are we really in a "free-market" when there is collusion and corruption at the highest levels? [1] https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/bombshell-potential-criminal-activity https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/bombshell-potential-crimi...
    - bruce511 3y ago
      Sure in physics there is definitive reality. But you weren't using the word in that context, and I wasn't responding in a physics context. As I mentioned, experience is on a spectrum, and so you can find someone with any experience you like. It's dangerous to generalise from experience. And no, there's nothing "free" about the free market. A completely free market would abuse customers in the name of profits. Regulation is the tool consumers use to prevent the market from leveraging its position in negative ways. When parts of the govt are determined not to govern, to prevent regulations being enforced, to prioritise company, party and profit over country, then you get an environment which is ripe for exploitation.
      - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
        Don't piss on my leg (or more accurately, let your friend do it), and tell me it's raining. The poster was being verbally abused while he is suffering, and I'm trying to mitigate that suffering with understanding. I'm not here to sing koombahya with theives and liars. Have a good day! [Edit] Less than one percent of the US population owns nearly 50 percent of the wealth. The reality is many rich people never took a half a second in their life to think about other people with empathy or compassion. Many even try to create further imbalance in their favor. "Civility" is used here as an excuse by many to be sociopaths. One person I interacted with named themselves after a serial killer. I refuse to normalize it. That's going to upset people and get me down votes. C'est la vie. (That is life).
linsomniac 3y ago
The reply doesn't seem to be unreasonable to me.