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Yes, in my book, this should not have happened. If people were honest about how common child exploitation is and really cared about it, it shouldn't have gotten

Yes, in my book, this should not have happened. If people were honest about how common child exploitation is and really cared about it, it shouldn't have gotten to "and now there is an article about a scandal on the front page of HN about how far this went before anyone cared."

krisoft 3y ago
> this should not have happened We agree on that. > If people were honest about how common child exploitation is I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities. > it shouldn't have gotten to It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are shutting this down now, and reporting everyone to the authorities” > how far this went before anyone cared Caring presuposes that one knows about something. The fact that it is a scandal once it become known means that people care.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  I think odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester and didn't want people to ask the hard questions. And until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things without it being part of an attempt to get laid, people with dirty secrets who want tools to enable their crimes will have more say in "let's just gloss over this detail" than people who want something else.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    > until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things We are adults, we are having a substantive discussion about the topic. > without it being part of an attempt to get laid I don’t understand this part. I don’t know how this conversation would get anyone laid: “hey we just found out that bad actors are misusing our system, how do you think we should prevent this? Should we ban all monetised children accounts or only the ones the moderator team flags?” > odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester I think odds are good someone wanted a promotion by “moving fast and breaking things” and they haven’t entirely realised what are the consequences of not implementing more sophisticated safeguards.
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income. Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure. While homeless, I was the "most prominent" openly female member of HN and trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it. Meanwhile, merely being obviously homeless and not excessively ugly got me offers of cash for sex. The entire world works this way. I have had people here tell me there is something very wrong with a woman talking about topics like sexual assault on an overwhelmingly male forum. I have had that said by someone who essentially positioned themselves as a trans activist which makes me wonder if you are a mtf trans individual, just who are you allowed to talk to about such topics? Only other mtf trans individuals? Why is my gender something of importance here? I have been dismissed for years as not having a valid point that as the apparently highest ranked woman in terms of karma on HN I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. I shall sit back and wait for the comments insisting that is off-topic and irrelevant to role in. Or other means to try to stomp the point into the ground.
      - 15457345234 3y ago
        > I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. Uh, what on earth gives you the impression that people are using this niche forum to earn an adequate living? Maybe people use it to find jobs in the sector if they have relevant skills but to make a living from the platform itself...? I mean, how would you even go about doing that?
        DoreenMichele 3y ago
        ...what on earth gives you the impression... I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.
  - GauntletWizard 3y ago
    The odds are 100%. When I joined Facebook, one of the potential openings after boot camp (Facebook hires "At Large" and does team assignments after training), one of the openings was with their safety and security team. A very senior manager within the production engineering organization dissuaded me from taking that job. I got really bad vibes off of him. A few years later, I wandered through Folsom Street fair, and ran into an acquaintance there. I did not recognize the senior manager at first, partially because he was falling over drunk. Quite frankly, I don't remember his name. What I do remember is that his drunken ramblings were almost a satire of what you expect a soulless remorseless pedophile to say. To be clear, I do not believe the people working in that division were in on it. I think that they were very few people working in that team, and that their efforts were constantly sabotaged. It was very clearly willful ignorance of many of the people around him. To put it kind of bluntly, it is because of a couple of years of looking actually at what the sex positive community turns a blind eye to that I am no longer in any way "sex positive".
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krisoft 3y ago

> this should not have happened We agree on that. > If people were honest about how common child exploitation is I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities. > it shouldn't have gotten to It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are shutting this down now, and reporting everyone to the authorities” > how far this went before anyone cared Caring presuposes that one knows about something. The fact that it is a scandal once it become known means that people care.

DoreenMichele 3y ago
I think odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester and didn't want people to ask the hard questions. And until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things without it being part of an attempt to get laid, people with dirty secrets who want tools to enable their crimes will have more say in "let's just gloss over this detail" than people who want something else.
- krisoft 3y ago
  > until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things We are adults, we are having a substantive discussion about the topic. > without it being part of an attempt to get laid I don’t understand this part. I don’t know how this conversation would get anyone laid: “hey we just found out that bad actors are misusing our system, how do you think we should prevent this? Should we ban all monetised children accounts or only the ones the moderator team flags?” > odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester I think odds are good someone wanted a promotion by “moving fast and breaking things” and they haven’t entirely realised what are the consequences of not implementing more sophisticated safeguards.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income. Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure. While homeless, I was the "most prominent" openly female member of HN and trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it. Meanwhile, merely being obviously homeless and not excessively ugly got me offers of cash for sex. The entire world works this way. I have had people here tell me there is something very wrong with a woman talking about topics like sexual assault on an overwhelmingly male forum. I have had that said by someone who essentially positioned themselves as a trans activist which makes me wonder if you are a mtf trans individual, just who are you allowed to talk to about such topics? Only other mtf trans individuals? Why is my gender something of importance here? I have been dismissed for years as not having a valid point that as the apparently highest ranked woman in terms of karma on HN I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. I shall sit back and wait for the comments insisting that is off-topic and irrelevant to role in. Or other means to try to stomp the point into the ground.
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      > I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. Uh, what on earth gives you the impression that people are using this niche forum to earn an adequate living? Maybe people use it to find jobs in the sector if they have relevant skills but to make a living from the platform itself...? I mean, how would you even go about doing that?
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        ...what on earth gives you the impression... I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.
- GauntletWizard 3y ago
  The odds are 100%. When I joined Facebook, one of the potential openings after boot camp (Facebook hires "At Large" and does team assignments after training), one of the openings was with their safety and security team. A very senior manager within the production engineering organization dissuaded me from taking that job. I got really bad vibes off of him. A few years later, I wandered through Folsom Street fair, and ran into an acquaintance there. I did not recognize the senior manager at first, partially because he was falling over drunk. Quite frankly, I don't remember his name. What I do remember is that his drunken ramblings were almost a satire of what you expect a soulless remorseless pedophile to say. To be clear, I do not believe the people working in that division were in on it. I think that they were very few people working in that team, and that their efforts were constantly sabotaged. It was very clearly willful ignorance of many of the people around him. To put it kind of bluntly, it is because of a couple of years of looking actually at what the sex positive community turns a blind eye to that I am no longer in any way "sex positive".
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