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There is no benefit to public transport when EV companies gets our tax money to build their charger network, or offering thousands of dollars of tax credit to r

There is no benefit to public transport when EV companies gets our tax money to build their charger network, or offering thousands of dollars of tax credit to rich folks to buy EVs. >In the end people will buy EVs because they are cheaper and better. I'm hoping people switch from EVs to public transit. Personally, I'm more interested in how the government can expand public transit in general so that the need for EV cars is eliminated or substantially reduced in the first place.

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
The easiest way to get people to switch to public transport is to make it suck less. Short of forcing people to use it that's kind of the only way. It also contributes to CO2 emissions so it has to go electric and improvements in EVs also helps there. I can see your preference for public transport, but it's already heavily subsidised and only used by a minority of people in most places. Subsidies for EVs, which aim to reduce emissions from cars, which are extremely popular, seems quite equitable. I don't think further subsidy of public transport is going to materially increase its use, it has to improve beyond incremental availability. As I said automated vehicles are a much more promising avenue for drastically increasing public transport use.
throwaway22032 3y ago
"Need" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I live in London, UK. We have lots of public transport. About half of my journeys can be done via public transport, about half of them can't. By can't, I mean that they are significantly slower, would require taxis on one or both ends, or simply are not possible due to one end being semi rural or rural. The half that can't represent far more mileage, emissions, etc. They also frankly are most if not all of the fun ones. Public transport works if you live a solely metropolitan life. If you do anything else, it just doesn't scale at all. This is of course ignoring the fact that in my own car I don't have to experience feral beings.
- pompino 3y ago
  You can't solve everything at once, progress is incremental, and there are several case studies to the contrary. https://www.centreforcities.org/case-study-library/case-studies-improving-transport/ https://www.centreforcities.org/case-study-library/case-stud...
  - Tagbert 3y ago
    That’s why we are pushing to convert the ICEV fleet to EVs.
  - deleted 3y ago
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dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago

The easiest way to get people to switch to public transport is to make it suck less. Short of forcing people to use it that's kind of the only way. It also contributes to CO2 emissions so it has to go electric and improvements in EVs also helps there. I can see your preference for public transport, but it's already heavily subsidised and only used by a minority of people in most places. Subsidies for EVs, which aim to reduce emissions from cars, which are extremely popular, seems quite equitable. I don't think further subsidy of public transport is going to materially increase its use, it has to improve beyond incremental availability. As I said automated vehicles are a much more promising avenue for drastically increasing public transport use.

throwaway22032 3y ago

"Need" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I live in London, UK. We have lots of public transport. About half of my journeys can be done via public transport, about half of them can't. By can't, I mean that they are significantly slower, would require taxis on one or both ends, or simply are not possible due to one end being semi rural or rural. The half that can't represent far more mileage, emissions, etc. They also frankly are most if not all of the fun ones. Public transport works if you live a solely metropolitan life. If you do anything else, it just doesn't scale at all. This is of course ignoring the fact that in my own car I don't have to experience feral beings.

pompino 3y ago
You can't solve everything at once, progress is incremental, and there are several case studies to the contrary. https://www.centreforcities.org/case-study-library/case-studies-improving-transport/ https://www.centreforcities.org/case-study-library/case-stud...
- Tagbert 3y ago
  That’s why we are pushing to convert the ICEV fleet to EVs.
- deleted 3y ago
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