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"Do the democracies want music? In the old days they would have made it themselves. Now, they merely turn on the gramophone." "Kids these days bad, older times
by gatane 3y ago
"Do the democracies want music? In the old days they would have made it themselves. Now, they merely turn on the gramophone."
"Kids these days bad, older times good!" - as far as humanity has existed.
- randomburner99 3y agoYes, that is how decline works. Technology constantly makes life easier: does this mean "better"? In a sense, yes. But the mind tends to atrophy.
- rexpop 3y agoHave we been in decline for 2,500 years?[0] 0. https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/ https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-a...
- overvale 3y agoIt is possible for the best aspects of a people/society to atrophy while they simultaneously expand their wealth/technology/etc. We can make the world an undeniably better place while also loosing vital things. It's not a zero-sum game. Have we been doing this for 2,500 years? Probably. It feels like a contradiction only if it's zero sum. But we generate more vital things than we lose, so it feels like (is) progress. But that doesn't mean we're not losing vital things.
- DylanDmitri 3y agoWe see clearly the flaws around us, but it’s non-obvious that {person} 400 years ago was flawed and lazy as well. Or sick with illness for 15 years, and we vaccinate those today.
- calderknight 3y agolonger
- Mainan_Tagonist 3y agoIt's a commonly repeated trope, yet more often than not such concern being voiced was almost immediately followed by a period of severe decline for the commentator's civilization. Aristotle saw the end of Athenian democracy and the rise of the Alexander the great, and the following Hellenistic period of mediterranean disorder. Horace was hardly the only one to discuss roman decline, look for Suetonius, Juvenal or Petrone for other examples of same era romans lamenting the decline of Rome. As for Huxley, it is interesting that much of what is pointed out in this short commentary echoes Ortega y Gasset on the "Revolution of the Masses", Oswald Spengler also comes to mind. Human history is that of the rise and decline of civilisations, we may well have already been on a downward slope for the past 100 years.
- stavros 3y agoThings atrophy for good reason: Because you don't need to use them. Nothing atrophies when it's needed.
- theWreckluse 3y agoThe problem is needs change - sometimes the environment changes and you're caught with your pants down
- taupe- 3y agoThat's exactly right, Technology is always a double edged sword in that manner. Plato in Phaedrus warned about the forgetfulness implicit in the invention of writing as oral traditions would no longer need to be remembered and passed down...
- xetplan 3y agoThis is an absurd delusion of efficiency. More like things atrophy when not needed and then one day fuck.... "We didn't realize there was a cyclical component to this process"
- stavros 3y agoWell, feel free to keep your farrier skills up to date, but the risk is not worth the cost to me.
- zitterbewegung 3y agoAs he population has grown with the respect to the existence of recorded music less and leee people are encouraged to even make their own music than to play songs that are done by the best. I can play the piano and I can done some improvisation but, everyone doesn’t care about my improv because I’m not good enough but frequently you will get famous song is asked to be played live.
- vonjuice 3y agoThere should be a collective shift towards making art for art itself, and for one self, in the same way that yoga and meditation are encouraged. Comparing end products and foregoing the process itself, people don't know what they're throwing out.
- empath-nirvana 3y agoThere's more original music released now than ever before.
- Towaway69 3y agoIt all sounds the same to me.
- sparkie 3y agoBut most people will turn on the radio or hit play on Spotify and listen to the same few hundred songs on an infinite loop, with maybe a couple of new songs (which sound very much like the old songs (or in many cases, are the old songs resung)) per week to "stimulate" their mind.
- empath-nirvana 3y agoMost people have always been passive consumers of any form of artwork.
- lm28469 3y agoIt's as dumb as saying: everything new is "progress" and "progress" is always good. Which is apparently the main religion for a good 150 years
- tasuki 3y agoTo be fair, he also mentioned ancient Romans as people who indulged in too much consumptive activities and not enough creative ones. It's not about old vs new, it's about consumption vs creation.