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It's a weird industry. I only know a little about it from a friend that worked for the gaming commission of our state... But fun fact, the code (at least in my

by whaleofatw2022 3y ago

It's a weird industry. I only know a little about it from a friend that worked for the gaming commission of our state... But fun fact, the code (at least in my state) gets audited and one of the things they were doing even 15ish years ago was pulling EEPROMs out and running through a machine to make sure the final hash is an approved, audited progam validated to have fair payout logic.

pizzafeelsright 3y ago
State controlled - yes. Indian/Native American land or International waters? Not State controlled.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Indian/Native American land is still semi controlled by the US government. While they have a lot of leeway they generally are pretty good. They are making a ton of money and they know even a strong rumor of something going on would kill them.
bluGill 3y ago
Right which means when you realize there is a problem you can't fix it. Though the situation I'm thinking of (a topic here several years ago) was machines not used in the us.
euroderf 3y ago
This sounds like a valuable practice. I'd like to see limits on the retention of public surveillance video, and AFAICT the only way to enforce it would be something like this.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Like many things there are unexpected downsides. If a bug is discovered in these machines you cannot fix it without expensive work to get the next version audited. Often that isn't done which means if an otherwise good machine has a problem it is scrapped (or sometimes still used in hopes that nobody discovers how to exploit it - see the story linked elsewhere in this thread) The above could include cases where someone intentionally slipped an exploit into code and it escaped audit. I'm not aware of this happening (and one of the points of audits is to prevent it), but I'm well aware of ways I can create an exploit that I wouldn't catch if I was an auditor.
  - euroderf 3y ago
    I would not think that surveillance camera firmware would need revising much. Or that if it does, it's a rush job.

pizzafeelsright 3y ago

State controlled - yes. Indian/Native American land or International waters? Not State controlled.

bluGill 3y ago
Indian/Native American land is still semi controlled by the US government. While they have a lot of leeway they generally are pretty good. They are making a ton of money and they know even a strong rumor of something going on would kill them.

bluGill 3y ago

Right which means when you realize there is a problem you can't fix it. Though the situation I'm thinking of (a topic here several years ago) was machines not used in the us.

euroderf 3y ago

This sounds like a valuable practice. I'd like to see limits on the retention of public surveillance video, and AFAICT the only way to enforce it would be something like this.

bluGill 3y ago
Like many things there are unexpected downsides. If a bug is discovered in these machines you cannot fix it without expensive work to get the next version audited. Often that isn't done which means if an otherwise good machine has a problem it is scrapped (or sometimes still used in hopes that nobody discovers how to exploit it - see the story linked elsewhere in this thread) The above could include cases where someone intentionally slipped an exploit into code and it escaped audit. I'm not aware of this happening (and one of the points of audits is to prevent it), but I'm well aware of ways I can create an exploit that I wouldn't catch if I was an auditor.
- euroderf 3y ago
  I would not think that surveillance camera firmware would need revising much. Or that if it does, it's a rush job.