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I'm honestly not sure which one you're referring to.

e40 3y ago
Must be the Republicans because they have been trying to strangle government for decades by making it look incompetent so they can point to it and say “see, I told you.”
- twoodfin 3y ago
  Republicans have basically 0 to do with any of the reasons the Biden administration is struggling to implement the CHIPS act. They’re struggling because a) Industrial policy is hard enough in a federal system without … b) A federal government inexperienced with implementing industrial policy and … c) An administration that sees industrial policy as YA avenue to achieve its social objectives, so called “everything bagel liberalism” [1]. I think industrial policy is a terrible idea, so not too distressed to see it trip out of the starting gate. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/opinion/democrats-liberalism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/opinion/democrats-liberal...
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    The comment we're discussing just mentions “US interests”. So for example providing military support to Ukraine, which the republicans keep blocking, or establishing programs to manage the border, which Biden has proposed and Republicans now oppose because they don’t want that issue relieved before the election, so they can point at how bad Biden is with the border.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      Supporting Ukraine isn’t in America’s interest. Stopping bankrolling random foreign wars was one thing republicans finally got right after decades of getting it wrong. And the border proposal was a fake-out, just like Reagan’s amnesty, which was supposed to be combined with border controls but never was. The goal of the recent border legislation was to make 5,000 illegal crossings a day (5 times higher than under Obama) the “new normal.”
      - schainks 3y ago
        It is absolutely in America's interest. For less than 0.01% of the defense budget, the USA can disarm Russia as a threat for another 50 years, if not forever. The ROI looks pretty good: 1. Bolster NATO (Sweden and Finland have joined already) 2. Bolster the EU (Ukraine and Turkey gaining membership would be interesting) 3. Revive EU self-interest in not relying on US military and cash. This directly results in less foreign random wars because more parties are stakeholders. 4. Diplomatic leverage against China. They are actively supplying manufacturing capacity for weapons to the Russians. 5. Transparency around for who is supplying who with what regarding weapons and Russia. This makes it easier to sanction people/companies that do things that are Bad For Business globally.
- greenavocado 3y ago
  Republicans are completely irrelevant. They have accomplished nothing except skim some cream off Democrat initiatives.
- rayiner 3y ago
  What republicans are making the government in California and New York look incompetent?
  - e40 3y ago
    The comment I was replying to was more general. There are lots of examples of Republicans sabotaging government legislation. The most recent case is the immigration deal reached by Senate Democrats and Republicans. They did this to make the current administration look incompetent so they could allow Trump to "win" on the issue next year.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      You would have a point if the border deal gave republicans what they wanted but they rejected it anyway. But the border deal is a compromise between Democrats and a minority faction of the Republican Party that wants cheap immigrant labor. It includes things like immediate work permits for illegal border crossers claiming asylum, and enforcement provisions that don’t kick in until 5,000 crossings per month (five times higher than the rate when Obama was President). Rejecting a compromise bill is in no way “sabotage.” Republicans (probably correctly) perceive that public sentiment about immigration is such that they can hold out for a better deal. A truer example of “sabotage” would be the immigration compromise under Reagan. There, the parties reached a deal to combine amnesty with stronger border protections. But the second half of that deal never happened. Regardless, you dodged my point about blue states. If the US government was dysfunctional because of republicans, blue states should be like Denmark—at least within the spheres where the state governments have primacy. Maryland should have world-beating schools, transit, healthcare, compassionate policing, and etc. Almost all of those are domains that are almost exclusively within the province of the states. But as a Maryland resident I can assure you it’s nothing like Denmark. The American inability to operate government effectively and efficiently is a bipartisan issue.
      - e40 3y ago
        Your reply is disingenuous. The deal was between Senate Republicans and Democrats. They agreed fully. They only people that don't like the deal are the extreme House Republicans and they represent a powerful but minor of Republicans in the House. If you look at everyone in Congress, there is definitely general support for the failed bill. And, the failed bill is a step in the right direction. To say it was a compromise is absurd, unless you want every bill to be perfect when it is voted on. There can always be further refinement of the law, through future legislation. On your other point about blue states. There are a lot of people who think blue states are much better places to live because of their legal/legislative climates. Ask people in Oklahoma who want IVF. In general, governing is hard and I'm not about to say that Democrats have perfected it or are even doing it effectively, on an absolute scale. I am saying that the current Republican party is (other's said it here first) a cult with a criminal at the head of the ticket and a bunch of obstructionists in the House and Senate. They care nothing of the rule of law, when it is they who bend it, but they will scream bloody murder if the other side takes a tiny step in that direction.

e40 3y ago

Must be the Republicans because they have been trying to strangle government for decades by making it look incompetent so they can point to it and say “see, I told you.”

twoodfin 3y ago
Republicans have basically 0 to do with any of the reasons the Biden administration is struggling to implement the CHIPS act. They’re struggling because a) Industrial policy is hard enough in a federal system without … b) A federal government inexperienced with implementing industrial policy and … c) An administration that sees industrial policy as YA avenue to achieve its social objectives, so called “everything bagel liberalism” [1]. I think industrial policy is a terrible idea, so not too distressed to see it trip out of the starting gate. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/opinion/democrats-liberalism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/opinion/democrats-liberal...
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  The comment we're discussing just mentions “US interests”. So for example providing military support to Ukraine, which the republicans keep blocking, or establishing programs to manage the border, which Biden has proposed and Republicans now oppose because they don’t want that issue relieved before the election, so they can point at how bad Biden is with the border.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    Supporting Ukraine isn’t in America’s interest. Stopping bankrolling random foreign wars was one thing republicans finally got right after decades of getting it wrong. And the border proposal was a fake-out, just like Reagan’s amnesty, which was supposed to be combined with border controls but never was. The goal of the recent border legislation was to make 5,000 illegal crossings a day (5 times higher than under Obama) the “new normal.”
    - schainks 3y ago
      It is absolutely in America's interest. For less than 0.01% of the defense budget, the USA can disarm Russia as a threat for another 50 years, if not forever. The ROI looks pretty good: 1. Bolster NATO (Sweden and Finland have joined already) 2. Bolster the EU (Ukraine and Turkey gaining membership would be interesting) 3. Revive EU self-interest in not relying on US military and cash. This directly results in less foreign random wars because more parties are stakeholders. 4. Diplomatic leverage against China. They are actively supplying manufacturing capacity for weapons to the Russians. 5. Transparency around for who is supplying who with what regarding weapons and Russia. This makes it easier to sanction people/companies that do things that are Bad For Business globally.
greenavocado 3y ago
Republicans are completely irrelevant. They have accomplished nothing except skim some cream off Democrat initiatives.
rayiner 3y ago
What republicans are making the government in California and New York look incompetent?
- e40 3y ago
  The comment I was replying to was more general. There are lots of examples of Republicans sabotaging government legislation. The most recent case is the immigration deal reached by Senate Democrats and Republicans. They did this to make the current administration look incompetent so they could allow Trump to "win" on the issue next year.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    You would have a point if the border deal gave republicans what they wanted but they rejected it anyway. But the border deal is a compromise between Democrats and a minority faction of the Republican Party that wants cheap immigrant labor. It includes things like immediate work permits for illegal border crossers claiming asylum, and enforcement provisions that don’t kick in until 5,000 crossings per month (five times higher than the rate when Obama was President). Rejecting a compromise bill is in no way “sabotage.” Republicans (probably correctly) perceive that public sentiment about immigration is such that they can hold out for a better deal. A truer example of “sabotage” would be the immigration compromise under Reagan. There, the parties reached a deal to combine amnesty with stronger border protections. But the second half of that deal never happened. Regardless, you dodged my point about blue states. If the US government was dysfunctional because of republicans, blue states should be like Denmark—at least within the spheres where the state governments have primacy. Maryland should have world-beating schools, transit, healthcare, compassionate policing, and etc. Almost all of those are domains that are almost exclusively within the province of the states. But as a Maryland resident I can assure you it’s nothing like Denmark. The American inability to operate government effectively and efficiently is a bipartisan issue.
    - e40 3y ago
      Your reply is disingenuous. The deal was between Senate Republicans and Democrats. They agreed fully. They only people that don't like the deal are the extreme House Republicans and they represent a powerful but minor of Republicans in the House. If you look at everyone in Congress, there is definitely general support for the failed bill. And, the failed bill is a step in the right direction. To say it was a compromise is absurd, unless you want every bill to be perfect when it is voted on. There can always be further refinement of the law, through future legislation. On your other point about blue states. There are a lot of people who think blue states are much better places to live because of their legal/legislative climates. Ask people in Oklahoma who want IVF. In general, governing is hard and I'm not about to say that Democrats have perfected it or are even doing it effectively, on an absolute scale. I am saying that the current Republican party is (other's said it here first) a cult with a criminal at the head of the ticket and a bunch of obstructionists in the House and Senate. They care nothing of the rule of law, when it is they who bend it, but they will scream bloody murder if the other side takes a tiny step in that direction.