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Not designers. Not coders. Just builders.

11 points by studiofellow 14y ago

freyrs3 14y ago
All of these "coders must learn design" articles ignore the fact that most programmers are not web developers and that sizable chinks of the industry simply never touch frontend code at all. For a lot of developers there is little career incentive to develop design skills.
- studiofellow 14y ago
  That's a great point that I hadn't considered. However, backend code does affect user experience, and having an understanding of design goals will help vet features and decisions.
- adrianhoward 14y ago
  All of these "coders must learn design" articles This isn't one of those. It's a "designers should learn to code" article. Which is interesting since I generally find that there are more developers interested in design, than designers interested in code. In fact I asked HN about this earlier today! (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467)
Stwerner 14y ago
Coder trying to be a designer here. I've spent a lot of time reading books and experimenting, but what I am really missing are beginner tutorials on how to make the popular elements I see on websites in photoshop (or even principles of creating the different elements). Maybe I am not looking in the right places, but I would love to be able to find an exploration of gradients (for example) in Photoshop and/or css and how different configurations create different visuals. When I open up Photoshop and try it myself, I feel overwhelmed by the seemingly infinite color and position choices I have in front of me - and every attempt comes out looking horrible.
- studiofellow 14y ago
  I think learning design can seem really difficult after a cursory glance at the design community. Sorry to mention this, but it's the best way I know to help. I wrote an ebook about design specifically for coders and technical founders. It actually covers several of the issues you mentioned, like creating a gradient in Photoshop and how to use and pick colors. You can see a sample at http://bootstrappingdesign.com/pdf/sample.pdf http://bootstrappingdesign.com/pdf/sample.pdf
  - adrianhoward 14y ago
    It's interesting that in my observations of designers and developers - it's the designers who have more catching up to do... See http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467 for some of my ramblings on this earlier today.
    - studiofellow 14y ago
      I hadn't seen that thread. Interesting that our experiences are practically opposite. I left a comment on that other thread, but I think this part is relevant here: Maybe we're all just pointing fingers at each other. It's obviously productive for everyone to gain basic competency in the opposite discipline.

11 points by studiofellow 14y ago

All of these "coders must learn design" articles ignore the fact that most programmers are not web developers and that sizable chinks of the industry simply never touch frontend code at all. For a lot of developers there is little career incentive to develop design skills.

studiofellow 14y ago
That's a great point that I hadn't considered. However, backend code does affect user experience, and having an understanding of design goals will help vet features and decisions.
adrianhoward 14y ago
All of these "coders must learn design" articles This isn't one of those. It's a "designers should learn to code" article. Which is interesting since I generally find that there are more developers interested in design, than designers interested in code. In fact I asked HN about this earlier today! (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467)

Stwerner 14y ago

Coder trying to be a designer here. I've spent a lot of time reading books and experimenting, but what I am really missing are beginner tutorials on how to make the popular elements I see on websites in photoshop (or even principles of creating the different elements). Maybe I am not looking in the right places, but I would love to be able to find an exploration of gradients (for example) in Photoshop and/or css and how different configurations create different visuals. When I open up Photoshop and try it myself, I feel overwhelmed by the seemingly infinite color and position choices I have in front of me - and every attempt comes out looking horrible.

studiofellow 14y ago
I think learning design can seem really difficult after a cursory glance at the design community. Sorry to mention this, but it's the best way I know to help. I wrote an ebook about design specifically for coders and technical founders. It actually covers several of the issues you mentioned, like creating a gradient in Photoshop and how to use and pick colors. You can see a sample at http://bootstrappingdesign.com/pdf/sample.pdf http://bootstrappingdesign.com/pdf/sample.pdf
- adrianhoward 14y ago
  It's interesting that in my observations of designers and developers - it's the designers who have more catching up to do... See http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3949467 for some of my ramblings on this earlier today.
  - studiofellow 14y ago
    I hadn't seen that thread. Interesting that our experiences are practically opposite. I left a comment on that other thread, but I think this part is relevant here: Maybe we're all just pointing fingers at each other. It's obviously productive for everyone to gain basic competency in the opposite discipline.