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Remain to be seen whether complete supply chain is possible for semiconductors. However should they success this mean that Chinese supercomputer makers will not

by eunos 3y ago

Remain to be seen whether complete supply chain is possible for semiconductors. However should they success this mean that Chinese supercomputer makers will not be hesitating to supply those to countries in US blacklist. Imagine Russia and Iran having access to hundreds Petaflops computers or even exascale! Maybe it's pricier even with less margin than US offerings and more difficult to use, but that'd least of their concern.

someotherperson 3y ago
> Imagine Russia and Iran having access to hundreds Petaflops computers or even exascale! Oh no? Seriously though, so what if they do?
- nexus6 3y ago
  Further advanced research into atomic weapons would be one worry.
  - eunos 3y ago
    That might be the case for Iran, but for Russia?
  - nitwit005 3y ago
    Given that most atomic weapons were created at a time with very limited computing power, it doesn't appear to be a requirement. Iran can likely just ask Russia for modern missile and nuclear technology in their current relationship.
- throwup238 3y ago
  The single biggest customer for supercomputers is the Department of Energy which uses them for simulating nuclear weapons. That's how our nuclear arsenal is maintained. Having access to that computing power would make it easier for main MAD foe to maintain their arsenal, among simulating tons of other things for aerospace and defense. There's just no good reason to let them have that capability.
maxglute 3y ago
>Remain to be seen whether complete supply chain is possible for semiconductors Also should be noted PRC is only party projected to train enough talent for entirely indigenous semi supply chain. Everyone else is projected to be short 10s-100s thousand talent by end of decade. The real threat to west is if billions in global south move to cheap as dirt PRC hardware on harmonyOS.
overstay8930 3y ago
This isn’t exactly a big of a deal as you think. Sure of course China will sell older stuff to Iran and Russia because corruption and money, but they don’t actually like each other. They also don’t have 2 giant oceans to protect themselves, so they have to be careful. China and the US have fundamentally the same goals of free trade and making sure nobody else gets nuclear weapons, there are just disagreements over spheres of influence and governance. Russia and Iran are criminal syndicates with an enslaved population, they don’t give a fuck about the ramifications of what they do because their geopolitical strategy is just enriching oligarchs, not enriching the population. China knows the population only puts up with their shenanigans because their quality of life is getting better, so that has to keep happening and that means working with the west. That’s why China’s “no limits” relationship with Russia ended when Russia wanted Chinese weapons in Ukraine. China just wants to shake things up, not create a new world order like the other “anti-west” countries.

by eunos 3y ago

someotherperson 3y ago

> Imagine Russia and Iran having access to hundreds Petaflops computers or even exascale! Oh no? Seriously though, so what if they do?

nexus6 3y ago
Further advanced research into atomic weapons would be one worry.
- eunos 3y ago
  That might be the case for Iran, but for Russia?
- nitwit005 3y ago
  Given that most atomic weapons were created at a time with very limited computing power, it doesn't appear to be a requirement. Iran can likely just ask Russia for modern missile and nuclear technology in their current relationship.
throwup238 3y ago
The single biggest customer for supercomputers is the Department of Energy which uses them for simulating nuclear weapons. That's how our nuclear arsenal is maintained. Having access to that computing power would make it easier for main MAD foe to maintain their arsenal, among simulating tons of other things for aerospace and defense. There's just no good reason to let them have that capability.

maxglute 3y ago

>Remain to be seen whether complete supply chain is possible for semiconductors Also should be noted PRC is only party projected to train enough talent for entirely indigenous semi supply chain. Everyone else is projected to be short 10s-100s thousand talent by end of decade. The real threat to west is if billions in global south move to cheap as dirt PRC hardware on harmonyOS.

overstay8930 3y ago

This isn’t exactly a big of a deal as you think. Sure of course China will sell older stuff to Iran and Russia because corruption and money, but they don’t actually like each other. They also don’t have 2 giant oceans to protect themselves, so they have to be careful. China and the US have fundamentally the same goals of free trade and making sure nobody else gets nuclear weapons, there are just disagreements over spheres of influence and governance. Russia and Iran are criminal syndicates with an enslaved population, they don’t give a fuck about the ramifications of what they do because their geopolitical strategy is just enriching oligarchs, not enriching the population. China knows the population only puts up with their shenanigans because their quality of life is getting better, so that has to keep happening and that means working with the west. That’s why China’s “no limits” relationship with Russia ended when Russia wanted Chinese weapons in Ukraine. China just wants to shake things up, not create a new world order like the other “anti-west” countries.