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Tried my last 3 Google searches india test cricket lowest total > None of the results are good or giving an answer raid calculator > The results are OK but y

Tried my last 3 Google searches india test cricket lowest total > None of the results are good or giving an answer raid calculator > The results are OK but you still have random noise like a Pokemon save/cheat editor page because it contains the word raid all quiet on the western front movie book differences > 0 results. Like straight up no hits, an empty page

marginalia_nu 3y ago
> india test cricket lowest total > None of the results are good or giving an answer, straight up wrong sites. The search engine has no ambitions to provide a knowledge graph at this point. It's for finding documents on the internet, rather than answering questions. Answering questions is a definitely something one might want, but it often comes at the expense of finding documents. > raid calculator > The results are OK but you still have random noise like a Pokemon save/cheat editor page? The pokemon result was discussing an application called "raidcalc". Seems like a good match, given the search engine does not profile you at all and has no clue about what your interests are. > all quiet on the western front movie book differences Hmm, I think there's an upper bound on the query length you hit. Could probably remove this, it's a pretty old, an artifact from when the query execution didn't deal with long queries well. --edit-- Hmm, I increased the limit but they're still kinda not very good. Although this is definitely squarely within the realm of what I'm working on next, which is query understanding and execution. Right now the search engine doesn't really know how group the terms. Like a human being can see that you'd want |all quiet on the western front| in a sequence, preferrably in the title or appearing a few times, and 'movie', 'book', and 'differences' should be important to the document, but not necessarily appear in that exact order. The search engine currently looks for either documents where they all appear in proximity, or all individual words have high tf-idf relevance markers. Not great for this query.
- klabb3 3y ago
  Is it possible to just quote the title of the book, old-school style, so it becomes a single phrase? It is arguably a better UI than handing a barrage of words and hoping the engine does the sense-making.
  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    Not yet, the support for long quoted sentences is a bit sketchy. Also within the wheelhouse of what's up next though. Having solid support for manual grouping is pretty much a prerequisite for automatic grouping anyway.
- mdaniel 3y ago
  I hope this tone comes across correctly as just a suggestion: I get a lot of mileage out of the "Send Feedback" option in DDG, which they claim actual humans do read. It can help move bug reports out of these HN threads into a more context-aware flow, and also makes me feel like any bad outcome has the possibility of improving, unlike systems that don't provide a "I feel bad about this experience" button If you were thus inclined, https://gitlab.com/glitchtip/glitchtip#glitchtip https://gitlab.com/glitchtip/glitchtip#glitchtip is the actual open source Sentry implementation which (as far as I know) would enable gluing https://docs.sentry.io/platforms/javascript/user-feedback/#user-feedback-widget https://docs.sentry.io/platforms/javascript/user-feedback/#u... to the search results page (that client-side library is still MIT: https://github.com/getsentry/sentry-javascript/blob/7.102.1/LICENSE https://github.com/getsentry/sentry-javascript/blob/7.102.1/... )

marginalia_nu 3y ago

> india test cricket lowest total > None of the results are good or giving an answer, straight up wrong sites. The search engine has no ambitions to provide a knowledge graph at this point. It's for finding documents on the internet, rather than answering questions. Answering questions is a definitely something one might want, but it often comes at the expense of finding documents. > raid calculator > The results are OK but you still have random noise like a Pokemon save/cheat editor page? The pokemon result was discussing an application called "raidcalc". Seems like a good match, given the search engine does not profile you at all and has no clue about what your interests are. > all quiet on the western front movie book differences Hmm, I think there's an upper bound on the query length you hit. Could probably remove this, it's a pretty old, an artifact from when the query execution didn't deal with long queries well. --edit-- Hmm, I increased the limit but they're still kinda not very good. Although this is definitely squarely within the realm of what I'm working on next, which is query understanding and execution. Right now the search engine doesn't really know how group the terms. Like a human being can see that you'd want |all quiet on the western front| in a sequence, preferrably in the title or appearing a few times, and 'movie', 'book', and 'differences' should be important to the document, but not necessarily appear in that exact order. The search engine currently looks for either documents where they all appear in proximity, or all individual words have high tf-idf relevance markers. Not great for this query.

klabb3 3y ago
Is it possible to just quote the title of the book, old-school style, so it becomes a single phrase? It is arguably a better UI than handing a barrage of words and hoping the engine does the sense-making.
- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  Not yet, the support for long quoted sentences is a bit sketchy. Also within the wheelhouse of what's up next though. Having solid support for manual grouping is pretty much a prerequisite for automatic grouping anyway.
mdaniel 3y ago
I hope this tone comes across correctly as just a suggestion: I get a lot of mileage out of the "Send Feedback" option in DDG, which they claim actual humans do read. It can help move bug reports out of these HN threads into a more context-aware flow, and also makes me feel like any bad outcome has the possibility of improving, unlike systems that don't provide a "I feel bad about this experience" button If you were thus inclined, https://gitlab.com/glitchtip/glitchtip#glitchtip https://gitlab.com/glitchtip/glitchtip#glitchtip is the actual open source Sentry implementation which (as far as I know) would enable gluing https://docs.sentry.io/platforms/javascript/user-feedback/#user-feedback-widget https://docs.sentry.io/platforms/javascript/user-feedback/#u... to the search results page (that client-side library is still MIT: https://github.com/getsentry/sentry-javascript/blob/7.102.1/LICENSE https://github.com/getsentry/sentry-javascript/blob/7.102.1/... )