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That is certainly a concerning quote. It implies that he believes in an authoritarian alternative which would definitely condemn him. It looks like it was in t
by throwaway13337 3y ago
That is certainly a concerning quote. It implies that he believes in an authoritarian alternative which would definitely condemn him.
It looks like it was in the context of his seasteading project idea. He didn't so much want another government as no government. And not to replace a current government but to live outside it. It does sound like a fantasy, but it was certainly not in the tone of what is implied by it out of context.
I don't know a lot about Thiel but what you said made me curious if I had it wrong and this guy was a monarchist or something. There is a lot written about him but trying to find what he actually says is harder. It seems like, right and left, people try to use him as a mouthpiece because he says a lot of crazy sounding things that are often taken out of context or not fully understood in his meaning.
He recently gave an interview in the Atlantic where he touches on his political views. It's an interesting read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/peter-thiel-2024-election-politics-investing-life-views/675946/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/peter-t...
Some things you might be surprised by in the interview:
1. He no longer supports Trump and sees his presidency as a disappointment. He says he is now a supporter of Biden. He also stated that he didn't think the election was stolen but did think the presidency was stolen from Gore.
2. Though friends with an authoritarianist, he says he does not believe it in. He thinks Xi and Putin types will not cause innovation or greater freedom. He specifically declined to meet with Putin on invitation and instead informed the US government of the contact.
It seems like his support of Trump in his first term was a cynical accelerationist-style idea wherein to get out of a bad cycle in government, you make it worse. This is an awful idea for a few reasons. It looks like he no longer believes it though.
Another thing I think he has been very wrong on is support of cryptocurrency. Though I admit I also thought it was a good and interesting thing over a decade ago.
I'd say the worst thing about Thiel is his pessimistic tone which is paradoxical given how very optimistic he is about the potential future.
Anyway, I don't think he's what the far right wants him to be nor do I think he is what the left makes him out to be.
- EchoChamberMan 3y agoRelated active thread about the Thiel Fellowship: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39491968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39491968 I think he wrote some scary manifesto I was trying to find pushing technology as the solution to our problems, but I was unable to. Convenient he owns much of that tech. Also, if you consider the premise he feels burdened by government and paying taxes, and wants to dismantle democracy, he would almost certainly be discrete, as well as consider lying to get what he wants. I had never heard of the term "Dark Enlightenment"[1] until recently, but it's rather concerning. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment
- CPLX 3y agoWe don't have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He has a pretty established track record of being a fully malevolent force in American society, and to the extent I think about that guy at all it would be trying to figure out how to get him as far away from power and influence as possible.
- EchoChamberMan 3y agoIt feels to me like this statement boils down to "trust me bro," which isn't very convincing to me. But I agree, he's evil and stuff.
- CPLX 3y agoBut that’s the point. You don’t have to trust me. The guy has an extensive and public track record.
- EchoChamberMan 3y agoI'm not as extensively informed about this guy as you though. I'm familiar with Trump and musk for instance, but this guy less so. He might be the most dangerous man alive tbh.