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In the case of France, for anyone who understands French, in this debate[1], it is said that when men watch pornography, their brain gets used to a certain cate

In the case of France, for anyone who understands French, in this debate[1], it is said that when men watch pornography, their brain gets used to a certain category of female bodies to whom their wife/girlfriend does not resemble, hence they lose attraction towards their partner, but also in the women around them and the ones they see in their daily life, in a nightclub ...etc. It is also said that porn is more and more violent, so lots of men are not excited in the normal and romantic way of making love (most likely your wife/girlfriend won't let you treat her the way your brain is trained to through porn) There is also one interesting opinion in that debate (from an author which was not present, but was quoted): when French boys get a bunch of sexual experiences in their adolescence, it is normal they loose that sense of romance and attraction once adult. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrRSF8rrlU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrRSF8rrlU

mise_en_place 3y ago
I could see this contributing to it, but as the article mentions, a lot of women are also no longer interested in sex. For example, a younger female friend of mine just doesn’t have a very high libido. Sex is a chore for her, she told me she often just lays there and disassociates while it happens. The environment is the most likely reason. There are microplastics and endocrine disruptors. My own libido returned to normal once my testosterone level returned to the normal reference range.
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- mseepgood 3y ago
  I've heard from women that it's low quality in men that wants them to not have sex.
tomp 3y ago
Listen to Aella’s podcast with Steve Hsu. Her research indicates that it’s actually women who are more interested in violent sex, and men consistently underestimate the chances. It’s something like 60% vs 40% IIRC.
- exitb 3y ago
  The relevant question is not how many are interested, but for how many it’s a deal breaker.
carlosjobim 3y ago
> In the case of France, for anyone who understands French, in this debate[1], it is said that when men watch pornography, their brain gets used to a certain category of female bodies to whom their wife/girlfriend does not resemble, hence they lose attraction towards their partner, but also in the women around them and the ones they see in their daily life, in a nightclub ...etc. That's not the case at all. If you're a normal man, you'll be attracted to a good range of normal, healthy woman bodies, from skinny to curvy. It's biologically programmed into us since God knows how long. On top of that, sex is 1000 times more about the touch than the looks, when you're actually doing it. Besides, why do these disturbed french people only talk about the body, when the face is just as important for attraction?
wzdd 3y ago
Unfortunately I don't understand French. Do these people back up their statements in any way, or are these just opinions from a small selection of the 8 billion people on the planet?
- begueradj 3y ago
  One of the ladies is a sexologist, the other one is an essayist.
29athrowaway 3y ago
Approaching women IRL is now culturally seen in a different way. No one wants to be seen as the creepy dude from the HR training video, so men are more hesitant to approach women. Also, because of dating apps, most women go for the most attractive or successful men. The top men are monopolizing most of the sex. The narrative of men not finding women attractive enough is not entirely untrue, but that is not the reason. Men are less selective than women. Building high trust, long term relationships is less likely because there is more people and also people tend to move around more. It's just Universe 25.
ssnri 3y ago
I’m a tall man with assets. My friend, it is just the opposite. I’ve had a date end because a woman had a hard requirement to be dommed. No thanks. I had a woman hint at making a pass at me this New Years. I tried to deflect. She still followed up: “maybe you don’t need chemistry if there’s power”. Made my stomach churn and my jaw drop. I’m a big guy and porn has taught women to want things from men who look like me, which I have no interest in.
- sneak 3y ago
  The urge for rough sex is not created or promoted by porn. Every generation thinks they invented sex. In this case, the current generation thinks that they invented kink. It’s utterly ridiculous.
  - ssnri 3y ago
    Is not created by, but certainly is promoted by. I don’t like being singled out for my appearance. Another one: I was at a standup performance and the woman on stage directly engaged with me to ask if I’m into buttlicking. You can do whatever you want with consent. Not okay to proposition your kinks without getting a yes first. I want the women I’m with to enjoy themselves and will work with that. Going down is no problem. Some people just like love and sex without the extreme porn kinks.
GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
Not to mention questionable views about boys being predated on by older women

mise_en_place 3y ago

I could see this contributing to it, but as the article mentions, a lot of women are also no longer interested in sex. For example, a younger female friend of mine just doesn’t have a very high libido. Sex is a chore for her, she told me she often just lays there and disassociates while it happens. The environment is the most likely reason. There are microplastics and endocrine disruptors. My own libido returned to normal once my testosterone level returned to the normal reference range.

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mseepgood 3y ago
I've heard from women that it's low quality in men that wants them to not have sex.

tomp 3y ago

Listen to Aella’s podcast with Steve Hsu. Her research indicates that it’s actually women who are more interested in violent sex, and men consistently underestimate the chances. It’s something like 60% vs 40% IIRC.

exitb 3y ago
The relevant question is not how many are interested, but for how many it’s a deal breaker.

carlosjobim 3y ago

> In the case of France, for anyone who understands French, in this debate[1], it is said that when men watch pornography, their brain gets used to a certain category of female bodies to whom their wife/girlfriend does not resemble, hence they lose attraction towards their partner, but also in the women around them and the ones they see in their daily life, in a nightclub ...etc. That's not the case at all. If you're a normal man, you'll be attracted to a good range of normal, healthy woman bodies, from skinny to curvy. It's biologically programmed into us since God knows how long. On top of that, sex is 1000 times more about the touch than the looks, when you're actually doing it. Besides, why do these disturbed french people only talk about the body, when the face is just as important for attraction?

wzdd 3y ago

Unfortunately I don't understand French. Do these people back up their statements in any way, or are these just opinions from a small selection of the 8 billion people on the planet?

begueradj 3y ago
One of the ladies is a sexologist, the other one is an essayist.

29athrowaway 3y ago

Approaching women IRL is now culturally seen in a different way. No one wants to be seen as the creepy dude from the HR training video, so men are more hesitant to approach women. Also, because of dating apps, most women go for the most attractive or successful men. The top men are monopolizing most of the sex. The narrative of men not finding women attractive enough is not entirely untrue, but that is not the reason. Men are less selective than women. Building high trust, long term relationships is less likely because there is more people and also people tend to move around more. It's just Universe 25.

ssnri 3y ago

I’m a tall man with assets. My friend, it is just the opposite. I’ve had a date end because a woman had a hard requirement to be dommed. No thanks. I had a woman hint at making a pass at me this New Years. I tried to deflect. She still followed up: “maybe you don’t need chemistry if there’s power”. Made my stomach churn and my jaw drop. I’m a big guy and porn has taught women to want things from men who look like me, which I have no interest in.

sneak 3y ago
The urge for rough sex is not created or promoted by porn. Every generation thinks they invented sex. In this case, the current generation thinks that they invented kink. It’s utterly ridiculous.
- ssnri 3y ago
  Is not created by, but certainly is promoted by. I don’t like being singled out for my appearance. Another one: I was at a standup performance and the woman on stage directly engaged with me to ask if I’m into buttlicking. You can do whatever you want with consent. Not okay to proposition your kinks without getting a yes first. I want the women I’m with to enjoy themselves and will work with that. Going down is no problem. Some people just like love and sex without the extreme porn kinks.

GaryNumanVevo 3y ago

Not to mention questionable views about boys being predated on by older women