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60k EUR before taxes and healthcare + retirement deduction I suppose. So after taxes and mandatory deductions it is 45k USD, which not that much if you are in a

by janmo 3y ago

60k EUR before taxes and healthcare + retirement deduction I suppose. So after taxes and mandatory deductions it is 45k USD, which not that much if you are in a city like Paris.

privacyonsec 3y ago
I live a Paris, with 45k net, you live very comfortably and have an active social life.
- shakow 3y ago
  As long as you don't have kids.
  - VSerge 3y ago
    .. and don't ever want to buy a place in the city itself, since a square meter costs more than 10k€ in most of Paris.
walidthedream 3y ago
Privacyonsec let me laugh so you say you make 45k net in Paris and you live very comfortably ? That means ur gross is around 60k. 3700 a month in your pocket ie 4k usd. When rents are around 2k a month let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole or your room sharing your flat or your living in a gritty suburb or dad & mum have you covered . When any decent car would cost you 300 € a month, telco bundle 100 €, 100 € energy minimum, add 200 € minimum of property charges if you own your flat. 250 € of food if you go to low class hard discount store, 50 euros transportation if you don’t own or leade car , that makes already 3000 euros a month of spending. Add various taxes and fees if you’re landlord, say 200 euro a month. 100 min for health care. You now have 400 euros left in you bank account left, I hope you don’t have any kid like most of parisians , other you go broke in no time. And I didn’t count anything Paris has to offer : restaurant costing 20 euros per person on average, cinema at 10 euros etc. France is being destroyed by privileged people or cheap people that thing they are virtually rich while in fact they are virtually poor.
- OscarDC 3y ago
  Not him, but I was in the same situation (I'm still in France with roughly the same salary but not in Paris anymore). > let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole Living in a 30 square meter apartment was pretty normal, yes. Don't feel obliged to call it "hole", it was pretty OK when you're alone. My rent was never more than a third of what I earned net. So generally less than 1K. > any decent car would cost you 300 € a month In Paris you don't need a car and most people I know don't have one. I still don't have a driver's license and most people I know from my generation don't have one either. So that's not an expense. > telco bundle 100 € For the whole Internet + mobile, you shouldn't pay more than 30 euros per month in France (which I guess is still pretty high? I'll have to look). > that makes already 3000 euros a month of spending I was (and still am I would guess, though it's a long time since I've calculated this), spending less than 2000 euros per month. And I'm not limiting myself: I often go out in a restaurant, go to the cinema every week, don't look at prices when I'm doing grocerie etc.
  - walidthedream 3y ago
    Yes by most normal countries (North and South America, Europe, Africa, Middle East ) and even broader French (outside of Paris) standards 30 meters square feet (320 sq feet) is called a tiny house, and is even illegal for families in some part of the world. The whole point is « if you’re alone »… is that a life frankly ? So you take a shitty salary because you’re alone or do you take money to progress in your personal life and build something like a family ? Oh yeah true you don’t need a car because life is so miserable driving and parking here, but public transportation is a total disaster when it comes to safety (ask pretty women how they feel there) , quality of service (summer transportation is a disaster, strikes and regular failures), cleanliness (piss, rats and bedbugs and vagabonds every where). And yeah the SNCF trains are also the preferred homeless shelter and very unreliable during every public vacation time. So you’re totally right, the car is something of the past… unless you live in a crappy suburb you can today totally forget about the less than 1000 rent.it is around 1500 minimum, and in this paradise that means earning 4500 minimum because waiting lines are in average 15 to 20 candidates per rentals . And you better be a white colored person with a European name and face. So with 3700 net salary you simply not qualify. You end up like most people looking for a partner officially and counting on your partner salary plus yours just to get a chance to live in that tiny flat. Telco is 50 euros min without Netflix and football and Disney or Spotify . If you have a family and need to dream because of the gritty environment you leave in , you can add 30 / 40 bucks and you end up with 70 to 100 bills depending on the number of persons in your household . And you didn’t pay yet the flat tv nor the smartphone. Believe people earning less than 4k net a month in the Paris region do look at the prices today.

by janmo 3y ago

60k EUR before taxes and healthcare + retirement deduction I suppose. So after taxes and mandatory deductions it is 45k USD, which not that much if you are in a city like Paris.

privacyonsec 3y ago

I live a Paris, with 45k net, you live very comfortably and have an active social life.

shakow 3y ago
As long as you don't have kids.
- VSerge 3y ago
  .. and don't ever want to buy a place in the city itself, since a square meter costs more than 10k€ in most of Paris.

walidthedream 3y ago

Privacyonsec let me laugh so you say you make 45k net in Paris and you live very comfortably ? That means ur gross is around 60k. 3700 a month in your pocket ie 4k usd. When rents are around 2k a month let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole or your room sharing your flat or your living in a gritty suburb or dad & mum have you covered . When any decent car would cost you 300 € a month, telco bundle 100 €, 100 € energy minimum, add 200 € minimum of property charges if you own your flat. 250 € of food if you go to low class hard discount store, 50 euros transportation if you don’t own or leade car , that makes already 3000 euros a month of spending. Add various taxes and fees if you’re landlord, say 200 euro a month. 100 min for health care. You now have 400 euros left in you bank account left, I hope you don’t have any kid like most of parisians , other you go broke in no time. And I didn’t count anything Paris has to offer : restaurant costing 20 euros per person on average, cinema at 10 euros etc. France is being destroyed by privileged people or cheap people that thing they are virtually rich while in fact they are virtually poor.

OscarDC 3y ago
Not him, but I was in the same situation (I'm still in France with roughly the same salary but not in Paris anymore). > let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole Living in a 30 square meter apartment was pretty normal, yes. Don't feel obliged to call it "hole", it was pretty OK when you're alone. My rent was never more than a third of what I earned net. So generally less than 1K. > any decent car would cost you 300 € a month In Paris you don't need a car and most people I know don't have one. I still don't have a driver's license and most people I know from my generation don't have one either. So that's not an expense. > telco bundle 100 € For the whole Internet + mobile, you shouldn't pay more than 30 euros per month in France (which I guess is still pretty high? I'll have to look). > that makes already 3000 euros a month of spending I was (and still am I would guess, though it's a long time since I've calculated this), spending less than 2000 euros per month. And I'm not limiting myself: I often go out in a restaurant, go to the cinema every week, don't look at prices when I'm doing grocerie etc.
- walidthedream 3y ago
  Yes by most normal countries (North and South America, Europe, Africa, Middle East ) and even broader French (outside of Paris) standards 30 meters square feet (320 sq feet) is called a tiny house, and is even illegal for families in some part of the world. The whole point is « if you’re alone »… is that a life frankly ? So you take a shitty salary because you’re alone or do you take money to progress in your personal life and build something like a family ? Oh yeah true you don’t need a car because life is so miserable driving and parking here, but public transportation is a total disaster when it comes to safety (ask pretty women how they feel there) , quality of service (summer transportation is a disaster, strikes and regular failures), cleanliness (piss, rats and bedbugs and vagabonds every where). And yeah the SNCF trains are also the preferred homeless shelter and very unreliable during every public vacation time. So you’re totally right, the car is something of the past… unless you live in a crappy suburb you can today totally forget about the less than 1000 rent.it is around 1500 minimum, and in this paradise that means earning 4500 minimum because waiting lines are in average 15 to 20 candidates per rentals . And you better be a white colored person with a European name and face. So with 3700 net salary you simply not qualify. You end up like most people looking for a partner officially and counting on your partner salary plus yours just to get a chance to live in that tiny flat. Telco is 50 euros min without Netflix and football and Disney or Spotify . If you have a family and need to dream because of the gritty environment you leave in , you can add 30 / 40 bucks and you end up with 70 to 100 bills depending on the number of persons in your household . And you didn’t pay yet the flat tv nor the smartphone. Believe people earning less than 4k net a month in the Paris region do look at the prices today.