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> supposedly efficient environments would imply the problem exists in less efficient environments. Efficient at what? At making money. Private enterprise want

> supposedly efficient environments would imply the problem exists in less efficient environments. Efficient at what? At making money. Private enterprise wants to sells you a product that causes you to need more of their product. They all want to be drug dealers - that's the perfect business model. Goldman Sachs analysts have asked whether curing patients is a sustainable business model. Tobacco companies, management consultants, Apple creating 'ecosystems' of products that only work with each other, walled gardens, planned obsolescence. It's all kind of the same thing. how does this translate into work of an average government department? I am sure you could make some parallels with clandestine activities by CIA, but outside of that - for transport, or healthcare?

dcow 3y ago
I think consumerism is orthogonal (but a fair subtopic to explore nonetheless). Not all corporate institutions are producers of consumer goods. Not are all consumer products designed (insidiously or not) for a recurring revenue stream. Furthermore efficiency usually refers to the cost required to achieve a desired outcome. Corporations are notoriously good and finding local cost minima in providing goods and services in ways that bureaucratic system aren’t. This isn’t controversial.
ETH_start 3y ago
And what are government bureaucracies efficient at? Manipulating the political system to get sweetheart collective bargaining agreements that minimize the accountability their members face while maximizing their compensation? "Investigation: New Records Reveal What It Takes to Be One of the 75 NYC Teachers Fired for Misconduct or Incompetence Between 2015 and 2016" source: https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-nyc-tried-to-fire-154-teachers-for-incompetence-or-misconduct-75-were/ https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-nyc-tried... New York: "114,041 Public Employees With $100,000+ Paychecks Cost Taxpayers $14.6 Billion" source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/09/24/why-new-york-city-is-in-trouble--114041-public-employees-with-100000-paychecks-cost-taxpayers-146-billion/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/09/24/why... "At $140,000 Per Year, Why Are Government Workers In California Paid Twice As Much As Private Sector Workers?" source: https://www.hoover.org/research/140000-year-why-are-government-workers-california-paid-twice-much-private-sector-workers https://www.hoover.org/research/140000-year-why-are-governme... And early retirement at 55.

dcow 3y ago

I think consumerism is orthogonal (but a fair subtopic to explore nonetheless). Not all corporate institutions are producers of consumer goods. Not are all consumer products designed (insidiously or not) for a recurring revenue stream. Furthermore efficiency usually refers to the cost required to achieve a desired outcome. Corporations are notoriously good and finding local cost minima in providing goods and services in ways that bureaucratic system aren’t. This isn’t controversial.

ETH_start 3y ago

And what are government bureaucracies efficient at? Manipulating the political system to get sweetheart collective bargaining agreements that minimize the accountability their members face while maximizing their compensation? "Investigation: New Records Reveal What It Takes to Be One of the 75 NYC Teachers Fired for Misconduct or Incompetence Between 2015 and 2016" source: https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-nyc-tried-to-fire-154-teachers-for-incompetence-or-misconduct-75-were/ https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-nyc-tried... New York: "114,041 Public Employees With $100,000+ Paychecks Cost Taxpayers $14.6 Billion" source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/09/24/why-new-york-city-is-in-trouble--114041-public-employees-with-100000-paychecks-cost-taxpayers-146-billion/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/09/24/why... "At $140,000 Per Year, Why Are Government Workers In California Paid Twice As Much As Private Sector Workers?" source: https://www.hoover.org/research/140000-year-why-are-government-workers-california-paid-twice-much-private-sector-workers https://www.hoover.org/research/140000-year-why-are-governme... And early retirement at 55.