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The submitted title is misleading. There's no allegation much less any definitive finding of unethical collection: the justification was that the "[consent] doc
by aragonite 3y ago
The submitted title is misleading. There's no allegation much less any definitive finding of unethical collection: the justification was that the "[consent] documentation was not sufficiently detailed to resolve the concerns raised". (Obviously they were deemed sufficient at the time of initial publication). One wonders what detail level would suffice in the current political climate, especially to address the concern of someone who believes that the mere fact of having some co-authors affiliated with public security authorities "voids any notion of free informed consent".[1]
The actions of individuals like Moreau also have significant unintended consequences such destroying the careers of junior academics such as Halimureti Simayijiang, who is Uyghur & even got his PhD from University of Copenhagen but who was unfortunate enough to have developed a research interest in forensic genetics. Basically no research Halimureti does will have any chance of being published in a Western journal given the campaign of folks like Moreau.[3]
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/china-retracts-papers-molecular-genetics-genomic-medicine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/china-retracts...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/29/academic-paper-uyghur-genetic-data-retracted-ethical-concerns https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/29/academic-paper...
http://www.fyagctu.com/news/?web_28.html http://www.fyagctu.com/news/?web_28.html
[3] (from the guardian piece cited) In an email to Irene Tracey, the vice-chancellor of Oxford University, which was seen by the Guardian, Moreau said: “The standard for informed consent is free informed consent,” which he argues is impossible in the context of Xinjiang.
- rbride 3y ago[flagged]
- aragonite 3y agoI mean it's not outrageous, much less proof of guilt, for forensics researchers to be affiliated with "police colleges". The use of genetic forensics in police work is a global practice and was key in solving major cases like the Golden State Killer and the Boston Strangler. (You also have to take into account the fact that in China universities named after some line of work are very much the norm (you have well-known generalist universities whose names reference "postal service" or "transportation" or "finance" or "broadcasting" which to Western ears sound very odd).) > Maybe they shouldn't take money from local enforcement groups that exist to oppress the group being studied. The bar ain't high As the Guardian quote in my comment makes clear, Moreau thinks informed consent is literally impossible in Xinjiang, so the bar is in fact impossibly high.
- freedomben 3y agoYour comment was reasonably good up until the last sentence where you violated HN guidelines and undermined your whole position by committing the same fallacy against GP that they were raising about Moreau. Quite ironic actually
- rbride 3y ago[flagged]