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20 years ago they launched Google Reader to do exactly that. ~10 years ago they killed that, too.

by Jenk 3y ago

pdimitar 3y ago
Embrace, extend, extinguish. Not a new thing. If somebody still trusts corporations in 2024 then that's on them.
- idatum 3y ago
  Once I fully embraced the fact that Google is an ad company -- not a software company -- their behavior doesn't pique my interest anymore. I don't rely on any of their software or services. But I wish generally they would stop hoovering up and monetizing my personal data. F'ckers.
  - pdimitar 3y ago
    Agreed on all accounts, though it is difficult to argue that YouTube is an indispensable service for many goals (education included).
    - e_y_ 3y ago
      I think YouTube is an example of where Google would rather sell you a service (YouTube Premium) than an ever-increasing number of ads (including ads for YouTube Premium). Google makes more money from Premium users. Creators get paid more for Premium views. The experience is better for everyone but your wallet's a bit lighter. Google and Facebook make most of its money off ads because the reality is that users don't like paying for stuff directly.
      - pdimitar 3y ago
        I am a bit skeptical that they don't try to monetize Premium users as well -- I mean invisibly, by selling our viewing history, timing of when we watch stuff etc. But I can't do anything about that and I openly admit all my efforts to block YouTube ads on an iPhone have failed so I eventually gave up and just bought Premium. And to be fair, I don't regret it, because I have another consideration -- I can easily get some nice Xiaomi phone and root it and install various blockers and alternative YouTube frontends... BUT... my Google account is very valuable, a lot is tied to it and Google has become a bit trigger-happy banning and deleting accounts. So I am not willing to risk it. Hence I paid up.
        e_y_ 3y ago
        My understanding is that Google does not sell user data to 3rd parties. It's much more profitable for Google to sell targeted ads that indirectly use that data (without giving the data away), and also avoids the potential legal and PR ramifications of selling user data, especially since users trust Google with a lot of their personal data. They might use your viewing history to target ads in other places. And they definitely use aggregate/anonymized viewing patterns to suggest similar videos people might like, but I don't see an issue with that.

20 years ago they launched Google Reader to do exactly that. ~10 years ago they killed that, too.

by Jenk 3y ago

20 years ago they launched Google Reader to do exactly that. ~10 years ago they killed that, too.

pdimitar 3y ago

Embrace, extend, extinguish. Not a new thing. If somebody still trusts corporations in 2024 then that's on them.

idatum 3y ago
Once I fully embraced the fact that Google is an ad company -- not a software company -- their behavior doesn't pique my interest anymore. I don't rely on any of their software or services. But I wish generally they would stop hoovering up and monetizing my personal data. F'ckers.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Agreed on all accounts, though it is difficult to argue that YouTube is an indispensable service for many goals (education included).
  - e_y_ 3y ago
    I think YouTube is an example of where Google would rather sell you a service (YouTube Premium) than an ever-increasing number of ads (including ads for YouTube Premium). Google makes more money from Premium users. Creators get paid more for Premium views. The experience is better for everyone but your wallet's a bit lighter. Google and Facebook make most of its money off ads because the reality is that users don't like paying for stuff directly.
    - pdimitar 3y ago
      I am a bit skeptical that they don't try to monetize Premium users as well -- I mean invisibly, by selling our viewing history, timing of when we watch stuff etc. But I can't do anything about that and I openly admit all my efforts to block YouTube ads on an iPhone have failed so I eventually gave up and just bought Premium. And to be fair, I don't regret it, because I have another consideration -- I can easily get some nice Xiaomi phone and root it and install various blockers and alternative YouTube frontends... BUT... my Google account is very valuable, a lot is tied to it and Google has become a bit trigger-happy banning and deleting accounts. So I am not willing to risk it. Hence I paid up.
      - e_y_ 3y ago
        My understanding is that Google does not sell user data to 3rd parties. It's much more profitable for Google to sell targeted ads that indirectly use that data (without giving the data away), and also avoids the potential legal and PR ramifications of selling user data, especially since users trust Google with a lot of their personal data. They might use your viewing history to target ads in other places. And they definitely use aggregate/anonymized viewing patterns to suggest similar videos people might like, but I don't see an issue with that.