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FWIW, it’s not uncommon for Mac users to also not maximize their windows. In fact I’d say Mac users disproportionally don’t (maximizing everything is more of a

FWIW, it’s not uncommon for Mac users to also not maximize their windows. In fact I’d say Mac users disproportionally don’t (maximizing everything is more of a Windows thing). Menus being in a bar at the top of the screen just doesn’t bother them. I’m in this camp. The only windows that get maximized are things like IDEs with tons of panes which are unusable otherwise. One perk of the menubar being this way that I’ve come to appreciate is that programs can’t try to remove it or sweep it into a hamburger menu in some misguided quest for minimalism. It’s gonna be there no matter what, which is a welcome bit of consistency. I wish Linux had better support for this option. KDE lets you set up a global menubar but sadly it’s not supported by any programs under Wayland and only works with Qt apps under X11, with the GTK plugin required having been abandoned last I checked. There should really be an XDG standard for programs to expose their menus with, not just for customizability but as as an accessibility affordance.

wkat4242 3y ago
> One perk of the menubar being this way that I’ve come to appreciate is that programs can’t try to remove it or sweep it into a hamburger menu in some misguided quest for minimalism Oh trust me they can. There's some really terrible electron-based Mac apps out there. They just have a token menubar with a few options like copy/paste and the rest is the usual hamburger crap.
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barrkel 3y ago
I've never seen more maximized (full screen) windows than people using MacBooks and swiping between them. Which I do too when using my MacBook.
- jwells89 3y ago
  To each their own, but that drives me nuts personally. I use spaces constantly but full-screen spaces are probably the bit of Mac UX I find most unappealing.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Yes I like fullscreen apps (I use them a lot on KDE). But the Mac implementation of full-screen apps is pretty terrible. Especially because the menu bar disappears.
deaddodo 3y ago
> One perk of the menubar being this way that I’ve come to appreciate is that programs can’t try to remove it or sweep it into a hamburger menu in some misguided quest for minimalism. Sure, but those same applications just leave a bare and non-functional menu bar at the top, which is almost more offensive. Windows enforces the same kinda constraints on MenuBars: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/nf-winuser-createmenu https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/... The only difference is the Windows' version disappears if you choose not to use it. And the same with KDE and GTK.
- jwells89 3y ago
  If an app doesn’t populate the menubar under macOS, I’m probably not going to use it unless I absolutely have to. It’s a strong signal of bad design, low-effort port, poor functionality or some combination thereof. There are few applications so devoid of functionality that they can’t populate a menubar.
  - deaddodo 3y ago
    You can take whatever stance you like. The point being made is simply that menubars work the same in both cases excepting two factors: mandatory existence and location.

wkat4242 3y ago

> One perk of the menubar being this way that I’ve come to appreciate is that programs can’t try to remove it or sweep it into a hamburger menu in some misguided quest for minimalism Oh trust me they can. There's some really terrible electron-based Mac apps out there. They just have a token menubar with a few options like copy/paste and the rest is the usual hamburger crap.

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barrkel 3y ago

I've never seen more maximized (full screen) windows than people using MacBooks and swiping between them. Which I do too when using my MacBook.

jwells89 3y ago
To each their own, but that drives me nuts personally. I use spaces constantly but full-screen spaces are probably the bit of Mac UX I find most unappealing.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Yes I like fullscreen apps (I use them a lot on KDE). But the Mac implementation of full-screen apps is pretty terrible. Especially because the menu bar disappears.

deaddodo 3y ago

> One perk of the menubar being this way that I’ve come to appreciate is that programs can’t try to remove it or sweep it into a hamburger menu in some misguided quest for minimalism. Sure, but those same applications just leave a bare and non-functional menu bar at the top, which is almost more offensive. Windows enforces the same kinda constraints on MenuBars: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/nf-winuser-createmenu https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/... The only difference is the Windows' version disappears if you choose not to use it. And the same with KDE and GTK.

jwells89 3y ago
If an app doesn’t populate the menubar under macOS, I’m probably not going to use it unless I absolutely have to. It’s a strong signal of bad design, low-effort port, poor functionality or some combination thereof. There are few applications so devoid of functionality that they can’t populate a menubar.
- deaddodo 3y ago
  You can take whatever stance you like. The point being made is simply that menubars work the same in both cases excepting two factors: mandatory existence and location.