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Great article, on a side note I wish we had a better word than ‘enshittification’. This ‘word’ has no etymological roots and cannot be taught to kids/teenagers
by colesantiago 3y ago
Great article, on a side note I wish we had a better word than ‘enshittification’.
This ‘word’ has no etymological roots and cannot be taught to kids/teenagers or placed in the dictionary/thesaurus (most likely placed under the vulgar section if it has one) or cannot be said on tv or radio (some stations and channels have a policy that prohibits strong language being said over the airwaves)
There has to be a better word than this before we can just make up words that contains strong language without thinking about it.
- satisfice 3y agoThe word “shit” is being “deshittified” which I think is… awful.
- bee_rider 3y agoIt is just a word for poop, everybody poops.
- dartos 3y ago“Worsening”
- BlueTemplar 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification > Doctorow has used the term platform decay to describe the same concept.
- colesantiago 3y agoSo then this proves that this ‘word’ doesn’t need to exist. So then it’s baffling (other than it’s vulgarity) that this ‘word’ has become popular. Only tech / writer / journalism circles has this sort of thing happens, I do hope that this word gets replaced. Reintroducing platform decay or something similar would be a start to get this into books rather than that ‘marketing vulgar buzzword’
- BlueTemplar 3y agoI'm guessing that by the point that you consider using the word, you are annoyed enough at the situation that an expletive feels appropriate ?
- Mistletoe 3y agoBut the word perfectly describes the experience. It is a vulgar experience.
- kwk1 3y agoThings can decay seemingly by themselves, but enshittification implies it's an agent-driven process.
- krapp 3y agoSorry... I tried to fight that battle when it first became popular and just got snarked on and voted down. Like it or not, the tech community has decided that Cory Doctorow's poop joke is a precise term of art to be taken seriously in technical discussion. People will even gatekeep it, if you use it in the wrong context. It's a very important and necessary word, apparently.
- colesantiago 3y agoI’m glad i’m not the only one that sees this. Often I read an article and that ‘word’ pops up and the article loses credibility, because of this ‘technobabble’ which is worse with purposefully laced vulgarity. It’s always used in tech circles because it’s ‘funny’ now but we know we cannot say this in a serious discussion in public or context and expecting the other side to take what you’re saying seriously. You are right to fight it and I believe if more people say this ‘word’ then it gives me the green light to coin words with ‘fuck’ in them and getting the public to say it without questioning me.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago> I believe if more people say this ‘word’ then it gives me the green light to coin words with ‘fuck’ in them and getting the public to say it without questioning me. That already happened. Look how lightly people take references to "TFA" on this very site.
- colesantiago 3y agoMy gripe is the 'word' is gaining traction and was 'word' of the year by the ADS which is my problem, TFA is confined to tech circles whereas this is gaining on the cusp of mainstream https://americandialect.org/2023-word-of-the-year-is-enshittification/ https://americandialect.org/2023-word-of-the-year-is-enshitt... I never did take the ADS seriously though, but it would be only about time that this may reach the Oxford English Dictionary. I guess it's time to coin a new word with a combination of 'fuck', 'shit', etc in it on a new blog and throw it and push it around and expect people to just say it on tv and radio stations.
- whatshisface 3y agoI call it "management decay." It also happens to all of my favorite food joints around town, because they're always being bought out.
- tempodox 3y agoCall it rent seeking then.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago> This 'word' has no etymological roots Huh? Not only does it have them, they are extremely transparent since it's such a recent coinage. https://www.etymonline.com/word/en- https://www.etymonline.com/word/en- https://www.etymonline.com/word/-fy https://www.etymonline.com/word/-fy
- colesantiago 3y agoIt's a silly coinage to describe a concept that has little to no roots other than 'shittification' which isn't really a word (other than the laced vulgarity), so I don't accept this either, so this is rounded to 0. I do not see it as a serious 'word' to be written, taught or spoken, in fact using this 'word' gives the article less credibility as it makes the article trite and childish.
- thaumasiotes 3y agoHow is this different from arguing that 9 has no prime factors because you don't like 3?
- Nevermark 3y agoExcept now that the term is well known it has done us all a service by dramatically drawing attention to what is happening, in a way that is clear and succinct. Nobody would be complaining if some milquetoast word was coined, and hadn’t got anyone’s attention. But that wouldn’t be better. I also happen to appreciate that the word’s undesirable connotations fit the undesirable situation it refers to perfectly. We can stop meeting in the streets, pointing our pointy fingers at big tech, and shouting “Enshittifier!” and retire the term, when they stop. Or they get stopped. in the meantime, let’s pull together to get some more helpful terms into Webster’s … Googlebleck, Debasebook, Amageddazon, Intuitwit, Oriful, along with pre-existing Crapple (too apropo!) and Microsuck. The Enshitifenagling DOGMAIC (“Dogma Ick”) Seven. Shame! Shame! (Five more times…) And I say all this with (sadness and despair, bitterness and humor, and) profound and sincere respect for all the hard work these companies did to lock me in! (Now can I please haz JIT for Vision...? I now desire to make spacial cubes - no more graphical squares for me - dance fast!)
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- Affric 3y agoThe truly profane thing is the practice.
- tome 3y ago"Enshoddification"? (From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39489675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39489675)
- stavros 3y agoI don't care so much about the "shit" part, for me it's that it's just a very obviously "made up" word that sounds very awkward. I'm loath to even say it because of how cringe it sounds.
- bee_rider 3y agoI like it. It correctly and viscerally describes the feeling. The other suggested phrase I see in this thread is “management decay,” but I don’t like it. Decay is a natural process. Here, the “en” at the front indicates an intentional, active process. If you want something less crude, maybe we can count a phrase like “platform arson.” But I think people relate to the vulgarity.
- johngossman 3y agoExactly. The word is intended to cause an emotional reaction to an intentional practice. If you pretty it up, it loses force: “waste elimination” and “fornication” are descriptive but not as evocative as the many alternatives. One should be angry about enshittification.
- graemep 3y ago"cannot be taught to kids/teenagers" Not a qualm I have with saying it to my own teenager. "or placed in the dictionary/thesaurus" There are far worse words in every dictionary - sexual and scatological words, racial and other slurs. I did not even know that "vulgar sections" in dictionaries were a thing. It sounds like weirdly puritanical idea. It is also a word that is getting less offensive - the general trend is towards slurs being more offensive. It has got to the point where the FT can put the word in a title, it has got to be pretty widely acceptable: https://www.ft.com/content/6fb1602d-a08b-4a8c-bac0-047b7d64aba5 https://www.ft.com/content/6fb1602d-a08b-4a8c-bac0-047b7d64a...