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> Here in the west we have so much public land that is effectively closed to access due to wealthy landowners litigating over stupidities like corner crossings

> Here in the west we have so much public land that is effectively closed to access due to wealthy landowners litigating over stupidities like corner crossings so they can monopolize the use of parcels they don’t own. reply I just want to note that even with these annoying carveouts, the US has far more federal land than other European countries. There's not really an equivalent to the vast national forests in the US west in Europe. Those countries are essentially 100% allocated and settled.

ghaff 3y ago
As a practical matter, you may not be able to live in those vast federal lands given the need to eat, but they certainly exist and--to the degree there's car access--you can probably spend a lot of time there if you want to. Probably more than a lot of European countries if you want to.
bagels 3y ago
I'm not saying it's wrong that some of the federal land is inaccessible, but there is so much BLM land that is accessible that it would take you a lifetime to exhaust visiting all of it. But also, the corner crossing thing is really dumb. Why did the federal government establish a checkerboard pattern? Either way, they should just eminent domain 20 feet off the corners and call it a day.
- bitbckt 3y ago
  In the US, it’s a legacy of railroad grants.
  - crotchfire 3y ago
    Yes, and the purpose of the checkerboard was so that the railroad could earn money by selling it (the government was basically "paying them in land") without having monopoly control of all the land in a given area (due to the checkerboard pattern). It basically worked, except in wooded areas where the value came from the timber rather than the land.
WD-42 3y ago
By land mass for sure but by practicality of access unlikely. Near urban or small towns going on a daily walk in the US is usually limited unless you are willing to get shot at because “muh property”
- justrealist 3y ago
  What towns are you thinking of? It has not been true anywhere I have lived.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    What a weird idea that you can't walk around small towns in the US without getting shot. There may or may not be good walking paths and sidewalks in many areas but you don't have people with a shotgun waiting for someone to set a toe on their property.
    - justrealist 3y ago
      I've also just not lived anywhere without reasonable access to at least a few parks and trails.
      - ghaff 3y ago
        I actually have a pretty nice set of trails that I can access directly from my house. Some is on private land that I don't have legal access to but the idea that someone would just shoot me for walking there (especially without very serious consequences) is laughable. And yes, tons of other trails and parks are very short drives away. I'm not sure walkable access to non-roads/public right-of-ways is commonplace in most parts of the world.

ghaff 3y ago

As a practical matter, you may not be able to live in those vast federal lands given the need to eat, but they certainly exist and--to the degree there's car access--you can probably spend a lot of time there if you want to. Probably more than a lot of European countries if you want to.

bagels 3y ago

I'm not saying it's wrong that some of the federal land is inaccessible, but there is so much BLM land that is accessible that it would take you a lifetime to exhaust visiting all of it. But also, the corner crossing thing is really dumb. Why did the federal government establish a checkerboard pattern? Either way, they should just eminent domain 20 feet off the corners and call it a day.

bitbckt 3y ago
In the US, it’s a legacy of railroad grants.
- crotchfire 3y ago
  Yes, and the purpose of the checkerboard was so that the railroad could earn money by selling it (the government was basically "paying them in land") without having monopoly control of all the land in a given area (due to the checkerboard pattern). It basically worked, except in wooded areas where the value came from the timber rather than the land.

WD-42 3y ago

By land mass for sure but by practicality of access unlikely. Near urban or small towns going on a daily walk in the US is usually limited unless you are willing to get shot at because “muh property”

justrealist 3y ago
What towns are you thinking of? It has not been true anywhere I have lived.
- ghaff 3y ago
  What a weird idea that you can't walk around small towns in the US without getting shot. There may or may not be good walking paths and sidewalks in many areas but you don't have people with a shotgun waiting for someone to set a toe on their property.
  - justrealist 3y ago
    I've also just not lived anywhere without reasonable access to at least a few parks and trails.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      I actually have a pretty nice set of trails that I can access directly from my house. Some is on private land that I don't have legal access to but the idea that someone would just shoot me for walking there (especially without very serious consequences) is laughable. And yes, tons of other trails and parks are very short drives away. I'm not sure walkable access to non-roads/public right-of-ways is commonplace in most parts of the world.