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For people who claim to not wish to be governed by elites, both the current and the mid-last-century "populists" certainly seem eager to follow leaders! cf htt

For people who claim to not wish to be governed by elites, both the current and the mid-last-century "populists" certainly seem eager to follow leaders! cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frogs_Who_Desired_a_King https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frogs_Who_Desired_a_King

aylmao 3y ago
Populism doesn't call for the abolition of elites. Populism calls for elites to not disregard the concerns of ordinary people. Perhaps you're thinking about anarchism or communism.
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crooked-v 3y ago
When using the phrase 'elites', are we talking 'coastal elites' (that is, the actual majority of the US population, who live in coastal cities), 'globalist elites' (that is, imaginary secret evil communists who are actually imaginary secret evil Jews), or something else?
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  I also believe the word has become (except as sibboleth) nearly meaningless in general, but in the context of TFA it'd appear to be "globalist elites"
nonrandomstring 3y ago
> Frogs Who Desired a King That was fun. Not heard that since I was about 5. Seeing it now, Thomas Hobbes spent about two volumes on the same story and gave us the "social contract". The log is the social safety net. The snake is the ever present threat of violence, "at our own request and for our own good".
skyechurch 3y ago
Marius and Caesar were populists. Having leaders (who are frequently themselves of the elite class) is almost a prerequisite, or else you've drifted into anarchism.
- TeeMassive 3y ago
  They were demagogues and elitists (and dictators, actually literally). They made promises they knew couldn't be fulfilled or without nefarious consequences to the Republic. They made exalted ridiculous promises to the public as an excuse to acquire more power for themselves. At the other end of the spectrum, Populism seeks to directly distribute power.
u32480932048 3y ago
The "Ruler vs. Leader" is like Slide #3 on any leadership talk, behind the title and the rhetorical "[Subject Here]: Art or Science?". Those who've never sat through such a thing have likely seen it on LinkedIn twice a day. [1] Re: Snakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=boss+vs+leader+meme
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  You're right that by leader I mean more "ruler" in the biz-self-help context, but I would suggest anytime people are buying articles of clothing all in the same colour (compare Wodehouse's "Black Shorts" movement) it's obvious what they are doing, no matter what word we use to describe the person who is the focal point.

aylmao 3y ago

Populism doesn't call for the abolition of elites. Populism calls for elites to not disregard the concerns of ordinary people. Perhaps you're thinking about anarchism or communism.

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crooked-v 3y ago

When using the phrase 'elites', are we talking 'coastal elites' (that is, the actual majority of the US population, who live in coastal cities), 'globalist elites' (that is, imaginary secret evil communists who are actually imaginary secret evil Jews), or something else?

082349872349872 3y ago
I also believe the word has become (except as sibboleth) nearly meaningless in general, but in the context of TFA it'd appear to be "globalist elites"

nonrandomstring 3y ago

> Frogs Who Desired a King That was fun. Not heard that since I was about 5. Seeing it now, Thomas Hobbes spent about two volumes on the same story and gave us the "social contract". The log is the social safety net. The snake is the ever present threat of violence, "at our own request and for our own good".

skyechurch 3y ago

Marius and Caesar were populists. Having leaders (who are frequently themselves of the elite class) is almost a prerequisite, or else you've drifted into anarchism.

TeeMassive 3y ago
They were demagogues and elitists (and dictators, actually literally). They made promises they knew couldn't be fulfilled or without nefarious consequences to the Republic. They made exalted ridiculous promises to the public as an excuse to acquire more power for themselves. At the other end of the spectrum, Populism seeks to directly distribute power.

u32480932048 3y ago

The "Ruler vs. Leader" is like Slide #3 on any leadership talk, behind the title and the rhetorical "[Subject Here]: Art or Science?". Those who've never sat through such a thing have likely seen it on LinkedIn twice a day. [1] Re: Snakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=boss+vs+leader+meme

082349872349872 3y ago
You're right that by leader I mean more "ruler" in the biz-self-help context, but I would suggest anytime people are buying articles of clothing all in the same colour (compare Wodehouse's "Black Shorts" movement) it's obvious what they are doing, no matter what word we use to describe the person who is the focal point.