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As noted in the article, OneDrive acts as a file sync. It does have version history, but if the file is deleted locally, it will eventually be deleted from OneD

As noted in the article, OneDrive acts as a file sync. It does have version history, but if the file is deleted locally, it will eventually be deleted from OneDrive (after a period of time). A backup is a binary equivalent of all the source data. True backups cannot be modified, and exist as a point-in-time reference snapshot.

velcrovan 3y ago
> if the file is deleted locally, it will eventually be deleted from OneDrive (after a period of time). Yes, all backups have retention periods. That doesn't make them not backups. > True backups cannot be modified, and exist as a point-in-time reference snapshot. OneDrive does keep point-in-time version history and allow you to access and restore, but not to modify, those point-in-time reference snapshots.
- balls187 3y ago
  Carbonite keeps two full backups. And deletes the oldest cycle after that. Timemachine also keeps backups until you start running out of diskspace. Neither service deletes files from your backups.
  - velcrovan 3y ago
    Seems like you just described two scenarios where a deleted file would eventually fall out of the backup set.
    - balls187 3y ago
      It may eventually fall out. Not guaranteed to. Unlike OneDrive.
      - velcrovan 3y ago
        If you need to keep something indefinitely, you use a backup with an indefinite retention period. That doesn't mean OneDrive isn't a backup, any more than setting a retention period on your Veeam backups make those somehow not backups.
- BeetleB 3y ago
  > Yes, all backups have retention periods. SpiderOak ONE doesn't: https://spideroak.support/hc/en-us/articles/115001933406-The-Deleted-Items-Bin https://spideroak.support/hc/en-us/articles/115001933406-The... They keep the deleted files forever.
  - velcrovan 3y ago
    Define "forever"
    - BeetleB 3y ago
      Until they go out of business or change their policy :-) I've used them for over a decade now. Have certainly restored files deleted over a year prior.
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    > Again, the Deleted Items bin is local to each device, so make sure you are looking in the bin for the device where your data was deleted. > Since the files in the Deleted Items bin are still retained in storage, they count towards your storage total. To permanently remove items in the Deleted Items bin from your account, select the files and push Remove. The default behaviour in MacOS for Trash is no automatic deletes, so I guess you get this forever backup so long as you don't turn on automatic deletes for Trash.

velcrovan 3y ago

> if the file is deleted locally, it will eventually be deleted from OneDrive (after a period of time). Yes, all backups have retention periods. That doesn't make them not backups. > True backups cannot be modified, and exist as a point-in-time reference snapshot. OneDrive does keep point-in-time version history and allow you to access and restore, but not to modify, those point-in-time reference snapshots.

balls187 3y ago
Carbonite keeps two full backups. And deletes the oldest cycle after that. Timemachine also keeps backups until you start running out of diskspace. Neither service deletes files from your backups.
- velcrovan 3y ago
  Seems like you just described two scenarios where a deleted file would eventually fall out of the backup set.
  - balls187 3y ago
    It may eventually fall out. Not guaranteed to. Unlike OneDrive.
    - velcrovan 3y ago
      If you need to keep something indefinitely, you use a backup with an indefinite retention period. That doesn't mean OneDrive isn't a backup, any more than setting a retention period on your Veeam backups make those somehow not backups.
BeetleB 3y ago
> Yes, all backups have retention periods. SpiderOak ONE doesn't: https://spideroak.support/hc/en-us/articles/115001933406-The-Deleted-Items-Bin https://spideroak.support/hc/en-us/articles/115001933406-The... They keep the deleted files forever.
- velcrovan 3y ago
  Define "forever"
  - BeetleB 3y ago
    Until they go out of business or change their policy :-) I've used them for over a decade now. Have certainly restored files deleted over a year prior.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  > Again, the Deleted Items bin is local to each device, so make sure you are looking in the bin for the device where your data was deleted. > Since the files in the Deleted Items bin are still retained in storage, they count towards your storage total. To permanently remove items in the Deleted Items bin from your account, select the files and push Remove. The default behaviour in MacOS for Trash is no automatic deletes, so I guess you get this forever backup so long as you don't turn on automatic deletes for Trash.