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Ah, yeah, the typical "you should had checked for the compatibility, it's you who are the problem, not Linux". And yes, I never check for Windows compatibility

Ah, yeah, the typical "you should had checked for the compatibility, it's you who are the problem, not Linux". And yes, I never check for Windows compatibility before buying the actual hardware/software. Not even /s.

graemep 3y ago
Lots of devices do not support Windows. I am typing this in an ARM based tablet that does not,but does run Linux. Can you install Windows on all Chrome books, or Apple Macs? I do not usually check for hardware compatibility with Linux either. The only things I have checked that I have bought in the last few years have been graphics cards and USB wifi, and the latter was just a matter of reading product descriptions. A lot of software I use either does not run on Windows, or is harder to install or is less mature on Windows. Obviously lots of server side stuff, but even some desktop stuff I would be doubtful about because the bulk of users are on Linux.
- jrockway 3y ago
  The post you're replying to doesn't say that Windows runs on everything. He's saying that every piece of commercial software runs on Windows, and that every widget has a Windows driver. I have found this to be quite true. If you have Windows, you can impulse-buy pretty much anything and end up OK.
- PxlatedIgnoranc 3y ago
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- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  And look how you immediately pivoted from the compatibility with Windows to the compatibility with running Windows. > The only things I have checked That's great but nobody needs to check if it's compatible with Windows. The whole step - it's just not needed. So if the "everything just works in Linux!" people say "oh you should had just checked" then the former was clearly not in a good faith or outright delusional. > A lot of software I use either does not run on Windows, or is harder to install or is less mature on Windows. Obviously lots of server side stuff, but even some desktop stuff I would be doubtful about because the bulk of users are on Linux. And most of the people houses and people themselves can't run the welding equipment, so what? How from discussing compatibility of widgets and gadgets of a regular Joe you moved on to a highly specialized and a very narrow scope of the server software?
  - nottorp 3y ago
    Yeah, the problem is that you have to use Windows then.
HumblyTossed 3y ago
Seriously? When buying a car, do you not look for features you want?
arp242 3y ago
With something like a UPS using some crummy non-documented protocol with Windows-only support, it really is 100% up to the vendor. The best Linux can do as an ecosystem is reverse-engineer some stuff, which may or may not work for all models for varying degrees of "work", and that's it. The people working on apcupsd probably don't even have access to this model, and they're probably also not keen to dish out several hundred Euro/Dollar/Pounds to purchase one at their own expense. Often things are complex and multiple people are "at fault" for something going wrong. Sometimes it's very simple and it's just one party doing something wrong. This is one of those simple cases. Linux is very much not "the problem", crummy vendors with crummy undocumented protocols are "the problem".

graemep 3y ago

Lots of devices do not support Windows. I am typing this in an ARM based tablet that does not,but does run Linux. Can you install Windows on all Chrome books, or Apple Macs? I do not usually check for hardware compatibility with Linux either. The only things I have checked that I have bought in the last few years have been graphics cards and USB wifi, and the latter was just a matter of reading product descriptions. A lot of software I use either does not run on Windows, or is harder to install or is less mature on Windows. Obviously lots of server side stuff, but even some desktop stuff I would be doubtful about because the bulk of users are on Linux.

jrockway 3y ago
The post you're replying to doesn't say that Windows runs on everything. He's saying that every piece of commercial software runs on Windows, and that every widget has a Windows driver. I have found this to be quite true. If you have Windows, you can impulse-buy pretty much anything and end up OK.
PxlatedIgnoranc 3y ago
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justsomehnguy 3y ago
And look how you immediately pivoted from the compatibility with Windows to the compatibility with running Windows. > The only things I have checked That's great but nobody needs to check if it's compatible with Windows. The whole step - it's just not needed. So if the "everything just works in Linux!" people say "oh you should had just checked" then the former was clearly not in a good faith or outright delusional. > A lot of software I use either does not run on Windows, or is harder to install or is less mature on Windows. Obviously lots of server side stuff, but even some desktop stuff I would be doubtful about because the bulk of users are on Linux. And most of the people houses and people themselves can't run the welding equipment, so what? How from discussing compatibility of widgets and gadgets of a regular Joe you moved on to a highly specialized and a very narrow scope of the server software?
- nottorp 3y ago
  Yeah, the problem is that you have to use Windows then.

HumblyTossed 3y ago

Seriously? When buying a car, do you not look for features you want?

arp242 3y ago

With something like a UPS using some crummy non-documented protocol with Windows-only support, it really is 100% up to the vendor. The best Linux can do as an ecosystem is reverse-engineer some stuff, which may or may not work for all models for varying degrees of "work", and that's it. The people working on apcupsd probably don't even have access to this model, and they're probably also not keen to dish out several hundred Euro/Dollar/Pounds to purchase one at their own expense. Often things are complex and multiple people are "at fault" for something going wrong. Sometimes it's very simple and it's just one party doing something wrong. This is one of those simple cases. Linux is very much not "the problem", crummy vendors with crummy undocumented protocols are "the problem".