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> don't want to join a club. What would be the reason for not wanting to join a club? Seems like a pretty OK solution between "it's totally illegal" and "the s

by diggan 3y ago

> don't want to join a club. What would be the reason for not wanting to join a club? Seems like a pretty OK solution between "it's totally illegal" and "the state store sells it", with some safe guards but still let non-profits organize the work and community. FWIW, we have "social clubs" here in Spain, where it's neither illegal/legal on a national level, and it seems to be working out OK as far as I know.

weinzierl 3y ago
Anonymity! Do you want to be a state registered drug user? The clubs have to be registered and need a license. They need to keep a register of members. It is not in the law that they need to give this register to the authorities, but it is still a risk. EDIT: I looked up the details. The clubs need to keep track of every sale, including data about the buyer. They have to report this to the authorities twice a year in anonymized form.
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- eqvinox 3y ago
  The anonymized form is only for the "automatic" reports without anyone asking. The authority can request — §26(2) — the data (= non-anonymized) at any point based on without any requirement for a specific reason. That said, "the authority" is not necessarily the police or public prosecutor; the determination who does this is left to the federal state (who might make it the police/prosecutor, or not…) — presumably if they're not "the authority" themselves, they would have to ask "the authority" to forward it.
- tetha 3y ago
  > The clubs have to be registered and need a license. They need to keep a register of members. It is not in the law that they need to give this register to the authorities, but it is still a risk. I very much recall how long the promise of "Covid Guest Lists are not used by the police" lasted.
brodo 3y ago
The law contains extensive book-keeping requirements for the clubs. Users don't want to be on a list. Especially with the CDU/CSU saying that they plan to re-criminalize if they win the next election. With the rise of the AfD and personal negative interactions with the state that these people had, I can understand that they are cautious. Also, these are not social clubs but growing clubs. You are not allowed to consume Cannabis in the club and 100 meters around it.
nicbou 3y ago
I just want to walk into a store, buy weed and walk out. Same as alcohol or cigarettes. This being Germany, I expect to have to spend weeks joining the waiting lists of overbooked clubs, hoping that one of them has a free slot. Then more forms, sent by post because email is evil, then finally I can buy weed 3 months down the road. If you live in Germany for a while, you learn that you never get anything without a fight here. It's always tedious.

by diggan 3y ago

weinzierl 3y ago

Anonymity! Do you want to be a state registered drug user? The clubs have to be registered and need a license. They need to keep a register of members. It is not in the law that they need to give this register to the authorities, but it is still a risk. EDIT: I looked up the details. The clubs need to keep track of every sale, including data about the buyer. They have to report this to the authorities twice a year in anonymized form.

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Whooping7116 3y ago
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eqvinox 3y ago
The anonymized form is only for the "automatic" reports without anyone asking. The authority can request — §26(2) — the data (= non-anonymized) at any point based on without any requirement for a specific reason. That said, "the authority" is not necessarily the police or public prosecutor; the determination who does this is left to the federal state (who might make it the police/prosecutor, or not…) — presumably if they're not "the authority" themselves, they would have to ask "the authority" to forward it.
tetha 3y ago
> The clubs have to be registered and need a license. They need to keep a register of members. It is not in the law that they need to give this register to the authorities, but it is still a risk. I very much recall how long the promise of "Covid Guest Lists are not used by the police" lasted.

brodo 3y ago

The law contains extensive book-keeping requirements for the clubs. Users don't want to be on a list. Especially with the CDU/CSU saying that they plan to re-criminalize if they win the next election. With the rise of the AfD and personal negative interactions with the state that these people had, I can understand that they are cautious. Also, these are not social clubs but growing clubs. You are not allowed to consume Cannabis in the club and 100 meters around it.

nicbou 3y ago

I just want to walk into a store, buy weed and walk out. Same as alcohol or cigarettes. This being Germany, I expect to have to spend weeks joining the waiting lists of overbooked clubs, hoping that one of them has a free slot. Then more forms, sent by post because email is evil, then finally I can buy weed 3 months down the road. If you live in Germany for a while, you learn that you never get anything without a fight here. It's always tedious.