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many more - plus hundreds of thousands of USA soldiers as well fighting a battle they didn't need to.

• hef19898 3y ago
  I'd like to see some sources dor those numbers. Also, Japan was ready to surrender, nukes or not.
  • ben_w 3y ago
    The number of people involved in the Kyūjō incident even after the second bomb, suggests the nation was probably not ready to surrender before then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident
    • hef19898 3y ago
      Oh, wow, some hardliners weren't happy and tried a coup. That failed. Obviously representative for the overall leaderahip and the nation at large. And a perfectly fine reason to bomb civilians...
      • ben_w 3y ago
        No. That's not the reason to drop the bombs, you need much more than that to reach such a conclusion. 18,000 rebels on one side tried pick a fight with 25,000 government soldiers to prevent a surrender even after the second city had been levelled, is a reason for thinking that Japan was still only borderline ready to surrender at that point, and therefore that it was unlikely to have been ready before this point.
        • hef19898 3y ago
          That is a conclusion so, that is not supported by spurce material or facts. It is used to justify the use of nukes to force Japan to surrender by giving credibility to the claim that the jukes saved US lives. That is my problem, because it still defends, utterly pointless, strategic bombing.
          • ben_w 3y ago
            > That is a conclusion so, that is not supported by spurce material or facts. I don't know which bit you're making that specific complaint about, but at this point I don't care.
            • hef19898 3y ago
              Fair enough