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How many of those same people would've lost their lives during a ground invasion of Japan?
by 15155 3y ago
How many of those same people would've lost their lives during a ground invasion of Japan?
- ejb999 3y agomany more - plus hundreds of thousands of USA soldiers as well fighting a battle they didn't need to.
- hef19898 3y agoI'd like to see some sources dor those numbers. Also, Japan was ready to surrender, nukes or not.
- ben_w 3y agoThe number of people involved in the Kyūjō incident even after the second bomb, suggests the nation was probably not ready to surrender before then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident
- hef19898 3y agoOh, wow, some hardliners weren't happy and tried a coup. That failed. Obviously representative for the overall leaderahip and the nation at large. And a perfectly fine reason to bomb civilians...
- ben_w 3y agoNo. That's not the reason to drop the bombs, you need much more than that to reach such a conclusion. 18,000 rebels on one side tried pick a fight with 25,000 government soldiers to prevent a surrender even after the second city had been levelled, is a reason for thinking that Japan was still only borderline ready to surrender at that point, and therefore that it was unlikely to have been ready before this point.
- hef19898 3y agoThat is a conclusion so, that is not supported by spurce material or facts. It is used to justify the use of nukes to force Japan to surrender by giving credibility to the claim that the jukes saved US lives. That is my problem, because it still defends, utterly pointless, strategic bombing.
- tonetegeatinst 3y agoThis. Also we were constantly firebombing Japan so much we had to actively stop so we could use the nukes
- actionfromafar 3y agoCommand were running out of cities to bomb, and had to go way down the list and bomb small towns.
- tonetegeatinst 3y agoCan confirm. I heard that those who wanted to use the nuke had pushback because some people wanted to basically burn all of Japan. I mean we had to request to stop bombing certain targets I think
- ChriLa 3y agoFire bombing of Tokyo had 80,000 - 130,000 killed.
- actionfromafar 3y agoThese replies back and forth are like clockwork. I wan't to hear more about other angles, like, how eager were the Japanese to not have to surrender to the Soviet Union.
- brabel 3y agoYour argument but moved to the current war in Ukraine: How many Ukrainian/Russian lives could be saved by dropping a couple of atomic bombs in Ukraine to force Ukraine to surrender?