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Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" busine

Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a new kind of economy.

FredPret 3y ago
Silicon Valley predates low interest rates by decades, and the tsunami of money it generates helped to create an environment where low interest rates for long periods were even possible
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  This doesn't make sense to me. Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control. Don't you need a money sink instead of a money source to make low interest rates possible for long periods? In a way that could still be SV's doing though. Garbage companies like Juicero were able to absorb capital from the "real" economy to keep inflation from rising.
  - tmnvix 3y ago
    > Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control. Not to be pedantic, but it really depends on what you mean by inflation. If you only consider CPI then sure - maybe you're right - but in my opinion we've had out of control asset price inflation together with falling interest rates since around the time of the GFC. I'd go so far as to say it's been the defining feature of western economies over that period. Basically badly implemented quantitative easing.
  - FredPret 3y ago
    I did say tsunami of money but I should have said value. Value fountains are deflationary. Juicero is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
- DiscourseFan 3y ago
  The conditions of possibility for Silicon Valley as we know it predate low interest rates, there is always a confluence of forces at work in constructing any economic and social regime. First it goes back to Reagan, then you can go further back to the origins of set theory and phenomenology, then you can go back to Kant, and, if you're so inclined, you can retrogress all the way back to Panini and his systematization of Sanskrit as the first "computer" language. And in any case "money," is not the most important thing in an economy--monetary and fiscal policy are only relevant with respect to the operations of capital, and neoliberalism was always primarily ideological; Thatcher herself said that it was a moral mission. But Thatcher and Reagan duped themselves, or they didn't realize precisely what they were releasing, the unbounded power of computation, with the creation of neoliberal capitalism. The environment which you refer to is nothing but the social conditions whereby the power of the market was fused with the power of nature in the form of the "genius" innovater, the "disruptor," the brilliant artist-engineer, which came to develop itself as the total ideology of the state, and only intensified in the wake of the 08' recession--reaching its apotheosis with today's so-called "AI," which (supposedly) is the technology which has the power of the super rationality of nature, Absolute Mimesis. And all that it needs to do to fulfill its holy mission is destroy the world, and humanity with it... No! We can't be, we cannot remain merely human...but why submit to the likes of Sam Altman and Elon Musk, who have tricked you with talk of the "market"? Who hates the world so much they would let a machine destroy humanity; no, no...we cannot destroy the world, we can't destroy man, we must go beyond! We must overcome the whole world.
  - dontupvoteme 3y ago
    What's the connection between Set Theory/Kant and SV..?
    - DiscourseFan 3y ago
      Well, of course Phenomenology is more important when thinking about computation, but by the time Heidegger was writing about zeros and techne he was already quite old, and computation had developed significantly; the same with Godel, who we consider to be a very important thinker with regard to the theory of computation, but the machinery of the computer was already being put together before the invention of the formal logic that we today consider necessary for computer programming. I say Kant because I suppose Kant was the first thinker to suggest (after Aristotle) that logic always has an existential import, that it only appears to us in the world and its not really certain if it exists in and of itself--at least, that's how Hegel reads him. And in any case Kant's philosophy is the beginning of modern western society from science to law to aesthetics, and, of course, philosophy.
- rvense 3y ago
  "While today 'Silly Con Valley' is thought to refer to the prevalent business models, the name was originally derived from the chemical element when people there used to actually make stuff."
woah 3y ago
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- deleted 3y ago
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- DiscourseFan 3y ago
  lol
neom 3y ago
You might enjoy Patrick Collison in this interview that was just published with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-lBOAS1VQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-lBOAS1VQ
foreverobama 3y ago
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hackernewds 3y ago
you cant reverse innovation it's like a genie in a bottle. which is great SV is not a product of low interest rates though. it's the natural order of things
- DiscourseFan 3y ago
  >it's the natural order of things What is natural about computation? I've never seen writing in nature.

FredPret 3y ago

Silicon Valley predates low interest rates by decades, and the tsunami of money it generates helped to create an environment where low interest rates for long periods were even possible

AlexandrB 3y ago
This doesn't make sense to me. Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control. Don't you need a money sink instead of a money source to make low interest rates possible for long periods? In a way that could still be SV's doing though. Garbage companies like Juicero were able to absorb capital from the "real" economy to keep inflation from rising.
- tmnvix 3y ago
  > Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control. Not to be pedantic, but it really depends on what you mean by inflation. If you only consider CPI then sure - maybe you're right - but in my opinion we've had out of control asset price inflation together with falling interest rates since around the time of the GFC. I'd go so far as to say it's been the defining feature of western economies over that period. Basically badly implemented quantitative easing.
- FredPret 3y ago
  I did say tsunami of money but I should have said value. Value fountains are deflationary. Juicero is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
DiscourseFan 3y ago
The conditions of possibility for Silicon Valley as we know it predate low interest rates, there is always a confluence of forces at work in constructing any economic and social regime. First it goes back to Reagan, then you can go further back to the origins of set theory and phenomenology, then you can go back to Kant, and, if you're so inclined, you can retrogress all the way back to Panini and his systematization of Sanskrit as the first "computer" language. And in any case "money," is not the most important thing in an economy--monetary and fiscal policy are only relevant with respect to the operations of capital, and neoliberalism was always primarily ideological; Thatcher herself said that it was a moral mission. But Thatcher and Reagan duped themselves, or they didn't realize precisely what they were releasing, the unbounded power of computation, with the creation of neoliberal capitalism. The environment which you refer to is nothing but the social conditions whereby the power of the market was fused with the power of nature in the form of the "genius" innovater, the "disruptor," the brilliant artist-engineer, which came to develop itself as the total ideology of the state, and only intensified in the wake of the 08' recession--reaching its apotheosis with today's so-called "AI," which (supposedly) is the technology which has the power of the super rationality of nature, Absolute Mimesis. And all that it needs to do to fulfill its holy mission is destroy the world, and humanity with it... No! We can't be, we cannot remain merely human...but why submit to the likes of Sam Altman and Elon Musk, who have tricked you with talk of the "market"? Who hates the world so much they would let a machine destroy humanity; no, no...we cannot destroy the world, we can't destroy man, we must go beyond! We must overcome the whole world.
- dontupvoteme 3y ago
  What's the connection between Set Theory/Kant and SV..?
  - DiscourseFan 3y ago
    Well, of course Phenomenology is more important when thinking about computation, but by the time Heidegger was writing about zeros and techne he was already quite old, and computation had developed significantly; the same with Godel, who we consider to be a very important thinker with regard to the theory of computation, but the machinery of the computer was already being put together before the invention of the formal logic that we today consider necessary for computer programming. I say Kant because I suppose Kant was the first thinker to suggest (after Aristotle) that logic always has an existential import, that it only appears to us in the world and its not really certain if it exists in and of itself--at least, that's how Hegel reads him. And in any case Kant's philosophy is the beginning of modern western society from science to law to aesthetics, and, of course, philosophy.
rvense 3y ago
"While today 'Silly Con Valley' is thought to refer to the prevalent business models, the name was originally derived from the chemical element when people there used to actually make stuff."

woah 3y ago

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DiscourseFan 3y ago
lol

neom 3y ago

You might enjoy Patrick Collison in this interview that was just published with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-lBOAS1VQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-lBOAS1VQ

foreverobama 3y ago

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hackernewds 3y ago

you cant reverse innovation it's like a genie in a bottle. which is great SV is not a product of low interest rates though. it's the natural order of things

DiscourseFan 3y ago
>it's the natural order of things What is natural about computation? I've never seen writing in nature.