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I fear we are going to slog though decades of low quality content that looks amazing, but the meat of the story is just empty. Truth is that most production try

by Kluggy 3y ago

I fear we are going to slog though decades of low quality content that looks amazing, but the meat of the story is just empty. Truth is that most production try to tell a human story at their core and being able to have AI generate it off a small description is going to leave it feeling empty.

fragmede 3y ago
except for fully ai generated everything, it'll still be people driving an ai to generate the content, so the advancement in technology will let more people tell their own stories. if you want a tv series of you and your friends getting up to hijinks, you can self fund and make just that. you could always do that before Sora, but if the costs are knocked down an order or magnitude or two, it becomes a more attractive proposition to a wider group of people.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  When film transitioned to video in the early 90s and many film school projects changed from $40K to $4K almost overnight, we didn't see a mess of new film makers because making good art is hard and almost always requires study and practice, even if the process is inexpensive (Picasso's brushes and black paint cost very little and were not difficult to acquire, it was his skill that was difficult to acquire.) We're not going to get better movies and shows by unleashing the TikTok generation on movies and shows. We'll get more, but not better because they are simply not capable of better. They don't have the training and the practice and it doesn't matter how cheap the tools if you don't have the ability, the skills that come with an education and a lot of trial and error. These skills are absent in all but the rarest of untrained persons so your friend's tv series is going to be shit, along with any tv series or movie created by people without the skills of a trained tv or movie maker. We don't need more shit. We have enough with the Disney, Apple, and Netflix and I should also include YouTube and TikTok. Wider is not better in art because art is a developed skill not a party trick. As someone who went to art and architecture schools, I promise you that the camcorder did not bring a grand new wave of democratized citizen cinema. It just didn't and neither will so-called A.I. because, once again, art is a skill, not trick. There are no shortcuts and no secrets to bypass learning and practice.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    I didn't go to art school but that's hard to take. things like the blair witch project, Napoleon dynamite, the original mad max, and rocky were made on shoe string budgets and were the result of, yes, art skills, but also camcorders. not to mention that there is, actually, good stuff on YouTube. some of it the product of artists with art school degrees. there's gonna be a ton of ai generated shit out there, no doubt about that, but it also makes it more accessible. But okay, what I'm hearing is that it's going to be cheaper for Hollywood to pump out really good ones, putting people out of a job until they can retrain, from carpenters who were set builders to vfx artists, and Sora is just gonna let the low end pump out bad stuff and the high end will maybe use it to still pump out good stuff. in today's attention economy, I don't know what that means. there's a whole lot of SoundCloud out there and a lot of it's bad but some of it's good, and, like you said, it's a skill not a trick, so theres still going to be cream that rises to the top, even in a morass of ai generated dreck.
TheAlchemist 3y ago
This is already the case with animated movies for kids. When I was young, they were not many, but most of them were amazing. And there was a real story. Now, on Netflix there are thousands. But most feel like completely empty and stupid. Recently after watching one with my kids, I'm much more careful in the selection. Sadly, it looks like it's the case with everything that will be available on the internet soon.
- bombcar 3y ago
  Amusingly enough “didn’t get released on physical DVD” is becoming a bit of a quality bar; second only to checking if the library has it. There are some very nice animated movies coming out of smaller countries - but finding them amongst the drek is the hard part.
aurareturn 3y ago
I don’t agree. I think it will create new experiences such as pairing it with the Vision Pro and “live” through movie instead of watching one. We’re unlikely going to be watching movies like we have been in the next 10 years.
Wohlf 3y ago
Most major shows and movies released lately already feel AI generated since they were written in a corporate boardroom, if anything AI could be an improvement as it will trend towards giving regular viewers/fans what they want.
throwaway13337 3y ago
It could have the exact opposite effect. If movie-quality content is easy to generate, then what is left to separate the good from the bad? Probably story, characters, originality, etc. Generative models could, across the board, commoditize the aesthetic leaving only substance as a discernible trait. This could be positive for the world in both encouraging people to create things of substance and consume things of substance. When instagram pictures are so easily made perfect, why bother posting? Or watching? What credit do you get for looking the way you do? When shallow political arguments are made in a comment, why not just assume they are computer generated? We could become blind to vapid content like we are blind to billboard ads.
- krapp 3y ago
  What happened to the quality of journalism once it went online? When news media had to compete against bloggers and social media. It went into the toilet. What happened to the quality of video games once game frameworks became easily available? The market got flooded with low-effort garbage. Youtube and Tiktok and other social media platforms make global video distribution easy, but most of it is uninteresting and uninspired, when not low-effort clickbait or ragebait. Making things easy doesn't lead to more substance, only exponentially more of what sells, which is shallow, low effort aesthetic. What point is there in encouraging people to create things of substance when that substance will only be consumed, commoditized and shat out by AI? Every time you see authentic, human generated art online now, it just gets assimilated. It's a sign of something forever tainted and blighted from the collective human soul. We can't be blind to vapid content when the systems and algorithms that generate our culture optimize only for it. The only hope is that somehow AI fails to follow through on its promise. Maybe it will never be able to create content of high enough quality, quickly enough or at a low enough cost. Given the evolution of technology, and the capability of LLMs in particular, that seems unlikely. Only another AI winter can save us. As long as AI remains deeply integrated into all possible electronic and online means of communication, creativity and expression (as it seems destined to be) then human expression just feeds the machine, and becomes as impossible to find in the ocean of machine-generated slime as non-commercial content on Google.
  - 3y ago
ranqet 3y ago
>but the meat of the story is just empty I assume you've never seen a Tyler Perry 'Madea' movie before
- defrost 3y ago
  The movie franchise that grossed $570 million US? https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr4115107589/ https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr4115107589/ I think I can see where the meat is.
alvah 3y ago
This describes much of Hollywood's output for at least the last 10 years, probably a lot longer. You'd expect removing or lowering the barriers to entry & the cost would result in an explosion of content - there will be a curation problem, but the quality of storytelling will not automatically be worse than the current state.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  Yeah I started writing a post criticising the smeared out average of popular media output that AI will put on the screen and realised Marvel films have been selling like hotcakes for years now. It seems like people actually love the idea of just mooshing every boring trope into a big couldron, stirring it up and sampling the pathetic goo that results.
dorkwood 3y ago
There are ways around this. You could use a negative prompt of "empty, two-dimensional" to generate a story with more depth.
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brigadier132 3y ago
> I fear we are going to slog though decades of low quality content that looks amazing, but the meat of the story is just empty Already happening without AI, see superhero movies. What we are actually going to get is millions of stories, the vast majority of which will be terrible but a small percent that will be revolutionary.
dylan604 3y ago
Wait, I thought we were talking about AI. You just described Marvel Studios

by Kluggy 3y ago

fragmede 3y ago

except for fully ai generated everything, it'll still be people driving an ai to generate the content, so the advancement in technology will let more people tell their own stories. if you want a tv series of you and your friends getting up to hijinks, you can self fund and make just that. you could always do that before Sora, but if the costs are knocked down an order or magnitude or two, it becomes a more attractive proposition to a wider group of people.

asadotzler 3y ago
When film transitioned to video in the early 90s and many film school projects changed from $40K to $4K almost overnight, we didn't see a mess of new film makers because making good art is hard and almost always requires study and practice, even if the process is inexpensive (Picasso's brushes and black paint cost very little and were not difficult to acquire, it was his skill that was difficult to acquire.) We're not going to get better movies and shows by unleashing the TikTok generation on movies and shows. We'll get more, but not better because they are simply not capable of better. They don't have the training and the practice and it doesn't matter how cheap the tools if you don't have the ability, the skills that come with an education and a lot of trial and error. These skills are absent in all but the rarest of untrained persons so your friend's tv series is going to be shit, along with any tv series or movie created by people without the skills of a trained tv or movie maker. We don't need more shit. We have enough with the Disney, Apple, and Netflix and I should also include YouTube and TikTok. Wider is not better in art because art is a developed skill not a party trick. As someone who went to art and architecture schools, I promise you that the camcorder did not bring a grand new wave of democratized citizen cinema. It just didn't and neither will so-called A.I. because, once again, art is a skill, not trick. There are no shortcuts and no secrets to bypass learning and practice.
- fragmede 3y ago
  I didn't go to art school but that's hard to take. things like the blair witch project, Napoleon dynamite, the original mad max, and rocky were made on shoe string budgets and were the result of, yes, art skills, but also camcorders. not to mention that there is, actually, good stuff on YouTube. some of it the product of artists with art school degrees. there's gonna be a ton of ai generated shit out there, no doubt about that, but it also makes it more accessible. But okay, what I'm hearing is that it's going to be cheaper for Hollywood to pump out really good ones, putting people out of a job until they can retrain, from carpenters who were set builders to vfx artists, and Sora is just gonna let the low end pump out bad stuff and the high end will maybe use it to still pump out good stuff. in today's attention economy, I don't know what that means. there's a whole lot of SoundCloud out there and a lot of it's bad but some of it's good, and, like you said, it's a skill not a trick, so theres still going to be cream that rises to the top, even in a morass of ai generated dreck.

TheAlchemist 3y ago

This is already the case with animated movies for kids. When I was young, they were not many, but most of them were amazing. And there was a real story. Now, on Netflix there are thousands. But most feel like completely empty and stupid. Recently after watching one with my kids, I'm much more careful in the selection. Sadly, it looks like it's the case with everything that will be available on the internet soon.

bombcar 3y ago
Amusingly enough “didn’t get released on physical DVD” is becoming a bit of a quality bar; second only to checking if the library has it. There are some very nice animated movies coming out of smaller countries - but finding them amongst the drek is the hard part.

aurareturn 3y ago

I don’t agree. I think it will create new experiences such as pairing it with the Vision Pro and “live” through movie instead of watching one. We’re unlikely going to be watching movies like we have been in the next 10 years.

Wohlf 3y ago

Most major shows and movies released lately already feel AI generated since they were written in a corporate boardroom, if anything AI could be an improvement as it will trend towards giving regular viewers/fans what they want.

throwaway13337 3y ago

It could have the exact opposite effect. If movie-quality content is easy to generate, then what is left to separate the good from the bad? Probably story, characters, originality, etc. Generative models could, across the board, commoditize the aesthetic leaving only substance as a discernible trait. This could be positive for the world in both encouraging people to create things of substance and consume things of substance. When instagram pictures are so easily made perfect, why bother posting? Or watching? What credit do you get for looking the way you do? When shallow political arguments are made in a comment, why not just assume they are computer generated? We could become blind to vapid content like we are blind to billboard ads.

krapp 3y ago
What happened to the quality of journalism once it went online? When news media had to compete against bloggers and social media. It went into the toilet. What happened to the quality of video games once game frameworks became easily available? The market got flooded with low-effort garbage. Youtube and Tiktok and other social media platforms make global video distribution easy, but most of it is uninteresting and uninspired, when not low-effort clickbait or ragebait. Making things easy doesn't lead to more substance, only exponentially more of what sells, which is shallow, low effort aesthetic. What point is there in encouraging people to create things of substance when that substance will only be consumed, commoditized and shat out by AI? Every time you see authentic, human generated art online now, it just gets assimilated. It's a sign of something forever tainted and blighted from the collective human soul. We can't be blind to vapid content when the systems and algorithms that generate our culture optimize only for it. The only hope is that somehow AI fails to follow through on its promise. Maybe it will never be able to create content of high enough quality, quickly enough or at a low enough cost. Given the evolution of technology, and the capability of LLMs in particular, that seems unlikely. Only another AI winter can save us. As long as AI remains deeply integrated into all possible electronic and online means of communication, creativity and expression (as it seems destined to be) then human expression just feeds the machine, and becomes as impossible to find in the ocean of machine-generated slime as non-commercial content on Google.
- 3y ago

ranqet 3y ago

>but the meat of the story is just empty I assume you've never seen a Tyler Perry 'Madea' movie before

defrost 3y ago
The movie franchise that grossed $570 million US? https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr4115107589/ https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr4115107589/ I think I can see where the meat is.

alvah 3y ago

This describes much of Hollywood's output for at least the last 10 years, probably a lot longer. You'd expect removing or lowering the barriers to entry & the cost would result in an explosion of content - there will be a curation problem, but the quality of storytelling will not automatically be worse than the current state.

mvdtnz 3y ago
Yeah I started writing a post criticising the smeared out average of popular media output that AI will put on the screen and realised Marvel films have been selling like hotcakes for years now. It seems like people actually love the idea of just mooshing every boring trope into a big couldron, stirring it up and sampling the pathetic goo that results.

dorkwood 3y ago

There are ways around this. You could use a negative prompt of "empty, two-dimensional" to generate a story with more depth.

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brigadier132 3y ago

> I fear we are going to slog though decades of low quality content that looks amazing, but the meat of the story is just empty Already happening without AI, see superhero movies. What we are actually going to get is millions of stories, the vast majority of which will be terrible but a small percent that will be revolutionary.

dylan604 3y ago

Wait, I thought we were talking about AI. You just described Marvel Studios