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What are some example cities?

by hasbot 3y ago

Schnitz 3y ago
And even then, where is it actually being enforced outside an HOA?
- fragmede 3y ago
  Except, with 80% of new homes having an HOA, who doesn't have one?
- cobertos 3y ago
  If it's an ordinance and someone complains (or it's one of those narc-y townships using satellite imagery and drone enforcement) then you get an inspection. If you're found in violation you'll get an enforcement notice. It's the one reason I am so nervous about who my neighbors are when doing anything "weird" on a property. The township, city, county, state, whatever jurisdiction it falls under _will_ handle it.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
I don't know cities, but I have seen plenty of HOAs ban it. Usually because there will be one bad apple that makes their home garage into a makeshift auto shop (and it will effect neighbors).
- mmcgaha 3y ago
  It is explicit in my deed that I cannot run an auto shop on my property. When people make rules and say it is to stop X, I always ask why don't they just make a rule to stop X. I walked away from a rental once because they refused so I lost trust in them.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    > When people make rules and say it is to stop X, I always ask why don't they just make a rule to stop X. Because the more general the rule is the easier it will be to enforce it. To stay with the example if there is a rule against auto shops, and you run what in effect is an auto shop but you say you are not taking money for it can we shut you down? Will we need to go to court where expensive lawyers battle it out what it means to be running an autoshop? That is a lot of cost and even more uncertainty. If the rule is about not being allowed to work on cars at all, then all they need to show is that you worked on a car. They don’t have to care who owns the car, they don’t have to show if it was commercial work, they don’t have to show if it was a regular activity or not.
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      “You can only work on cars owned by people living at that property” solves most of the problems, still preserves the resident’s reasonable freedom, and is still easy to administer.
      - ssl-3 3y ago
        It does seem to preserve freedom, until I can't work on my daughter's car in my own garage, and I also can't work on it at her place because she rents an apartment where working on cars in the parking lot is verboten.
        sokoloff 3y ago
        Contrast it with an alternate proposed policy “not allowed to work on cars at all” not to a fully sensible except difficult to administer policy of “don’t create a nuisance that reasonable neighbors would reasonably object to”. (Plus, just like you usually don’t get pulled over for 75 on the highway, most everyone will be able to do occasional work on their adult kid’s car anyway.)
        ssl-3 3y ago
        Yeah, I mean: Realistically, I'm going to do what I need to do and treat the rules more like guidelines: We all do this in our own ways. But neighbors can be both difficult, and ever-present. I had a busy-body neighbor once that would go out of his way to make sure that everyone was following the rules. For instance: It'd been snowing, quite a lot, and the roads were officially closed. But I had to get my wife to work at 5:30AM anyway: Those road closures don't apply to people in her line of work in the medical field. So we went out early and started digging. We thought we had made a good path but got the car stuck in the middle of our boring little side street anyway. Fun times. And the nosy neighbor dude waddles up from his house. He doesn't offer to help, like many normal neighbors might have done, or a great neighbor would feel compelled to do. His compulsion was different. He just takes a series of photos our clearly-evident (to him) lawbreaking activities and smugly waddles back inside. This is the kind of neighbor who absolutely would make sure I would be reported for working on a non-resident's vehicle in my own garage. I've only had one such neighbor in my decades of adulthood, but he cannot be the only one who is this way.
cobertos 3y ago
Agh, county, not city. My memory... Sacramento County, this is the one that made the news a while ago and people got upset - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34081331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34081331 I couldn't find more through Kagi. I could do a search through LexisNexis or another tool that indexes a bunch (_not all_) of the ordinances but it's more time than I want to spend right now. You'd be surprised what is allowed and not allowed by ordinances, it's very locale specific too. I tried living in a tiny home and it very much broke many ordinances.

What are some example cities?

by hasbot 3y ago

What are some example cities?

Schnitz 3y ago

And even then, where is it actually being enforced outside an HOA?

fragmede 3y ago
Except, with 80% of new homes having an HOA, who doesn't have one?
cobertos 3y ago
If it's an ordinance and someone complains (or it's one of those narc-y townships using satellite imagery and drone enforcement) then you get an inspection. If you're found in violation you'll get an enforcement notice. It's the one reason I am so nervous about who my neighbors are when doing anything "weird" on a property. The township, city, county, state, whatever jurisdiction it falls under _will_ handle it.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

I don't know cities, but I have seen plenty of HOAs ban it. Usually because there will be one bad apple that makes their home garage into a makeshift auto shop (and it will effect neighbors).

mmcgaha 3y ago
It is explicit in my deed that I cannot run an auto shop on my property. When people make rules and say it is to stop X, I always ask why don't they just make a rule to stop X. I walked away from a rental once because they refused so I lost trust in them.
- krisoft 3y ago
  > When people make rules and say it is to stop X, I always ask why don't they just make a rule to stop X. Because the more general the rule is the easier it will be to enforce it. To stay with the example if there is a rule against auto shops, and you run what in effect is an auto shop but you say you are not taking money for it can we shut you down? Will we need to go to court where expensive lawyers battle it out what it means to be running an autoshop? That is a lot of cost and even more uncertainty. If the rule is about not being allowed to work on cars at all, then all they need to show is that you worked on a car. They don’t have to care who owns the car, they don’t have to show if it was commercial work, they don’t have to show if it was a regular activity or not.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    “You can only work on cars owned by people living at that property” solves most of the problems, still preserves the resident’s reasonable freedom, and is still easy to administer.
    - ssl-3 3y ago
      It does seem to preserve freedom, until I can't work on my daughter's car in my own garage, and I also can't work on it at her place because she rents an apartment where working on cars in the parking lot is verboten.
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        Contrast it with an alternate proposed policy “not allowed to work on cars at all” not to a fully sensible except difficult to administer policy of “don’t create a nuisance that reasonable neighbors would reasonably object to”. (Plus, just like you usually don’t get pulled over for 75 on the highway, most everyone will be able to do occasional work on their adult kid’s car anyway.)
        ssl-3 3y ago
        Yeah, I mean: Realistically, I'm going to do what I need to do and treat the rules more like guidelines: We all do this in our own ways. But neighbors can be both difficult, and ever-present. I had a busy-body neighbor once that would go out of his way to make sure that everyone was following the rules. For instance: It'd been snowing, quite a lot, and the roads were officially closed. But I had to get my wife to work at 5:30AM anyway: Those road closures don't apply to people in her line of work in the medical field. So we went out early and started digging. We thought we had made a good path but got the car stuck in the middle of our boring little side street anyway. Fun times. And the nosy neighbor dude waddles up from his house. He doesn't offer to help, like many normal neighbors might have done, or a great neighbor would feel compelled to do. His compulsion was different. He just takes a series of photos our clearly-evident (to him) lawbreaking activities and smugly waddles back inside. This is the kind of neighbor who absolutely would make sure I would be reported for working on a non-resident's vehicle in my own garage. I've only had one such neighbor in my decades of adulthood, but he cannot be the only one who is this way.

cobertos 3y ago

Agh, county, not city. My memory... Sacramento County, this is the one that made the news a while ago and people got upset - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34081331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34081331 I couldn't find more through Kagi. I could do a search through LexisNexis or another tool that indexes a bunch (_not all_) of the ordinances but it's more time than I want to spend right now. You'd be surprised what is allowed and not allowed by ordinances, it's very locale specific too. I tried living in a tiny home and it very much broke many ordinances.