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It isn't, of course. It was wrong for Lira's pneumonia to be ignored for so long, and the Ukrainian anti-Russian propaganda law is questionable, but if you're w

It isn't, of course. It was wrong for Lira's pneumonia to be ignored for so long, and the Ukrainian anti-Russian propaganda law is questionable, but if you're wondering why the coverage of Lira is so different from that of Navalny, a man who the Russian govt has tried to assassinate with a nerve agent, this is why.

riehwvfbk 3y ago
There is a universal rebuttal on Western discussion forums against anything in favor of Russia: just yell "whataboutism!" Guess what, Russian discussion forums have memes about Western apologetics too. They main ones are "That's different" (what you are doing in this thread) and "highly likely" (when completely made up BS is prefixed with "a credible source said it is highly likely that...")
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y ago
  I don't give a shit about what memes Russian apologists have about Western posters. Flat-earthers have memes about globeheads, that doesn't mean they're right about anything. If Russian posters are tired of hearing those things, they can stop making the same stupid comparisons in every thread and stop blanket-denying anything Russia does wrong.
  - riehwvfbk 3y ago
    > Those two aren’t really comparable Because why? Because "that's different"? Anyway, I was just pointing out that you aren't the only one capable of blanket dismissing the other side.
    - ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y ago
      Navalny was an activist who organized large protests against the government, ran for office several times, and investigated corruption, mostly concerning money flows between government officials, oligarchs, their companies and properties, etc. The worst crime he was ever charged with was embezzlement and fraud. Assange is a hacker who's indiscriminately leaked tons of classified info, much of which had little to do with corruption like the unredacted cables and the Vault 7 documents. He's (allegedly) conspired with Chelsea Manning and Lulzsec to basically get whatever he can get his hands on [1][2]. btw, Navalny died in a penal colony serving a 19 year sentence. Chelsea got out after 7. [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-com... [2] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-superseding-indictment https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-sup...
      - riehwvfbk 3y ago
        But now we are comparing, whereas before it was just deemed not possible. Navalny also collaborated with Hristo Grozev on OSINT projects (which are probably whitewashed CIA intelligence). He went through a leadership training program at Yale, similar to the other US-installed politicians in the post-Soviet sphere (Sandu, Saakashvili, etc). And who knows, he could have gotten out after 7 years? I'm actually appalled at the way the Russian government acted here, but let's not pretend the US government is all nice and fuzzy and always plays by the rules. Even when the rules are their own.

riehwvfbk 3y ago

There is a universal rebuttal on Western discussion forums against anything in favor of Russia: just yell "whataboutism!" Guess what, Russian discussion forums have memes about Western apologetics too. They main ones are "That's different" (what you are doing in this thread) and "highly likely" (when completely made up BS is prefixed with "a credible source said it is highly likely that...")

ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y ago
I don't give a shit about what memes Russian apologists have about Western posters. Flat-earthers have memes about globeheads, that doesn't mean they're right about anything. If Russian posters are tired of hearing those things, they can stop making the same stupid comparisons in every thread and stop blanket-denying anything Russia does wrong.
- riehwvfbk 3y ago
  > Those two aren’t really comparable Because why? Because "that's different"? Anyway, I was just pointing out that you aren't the only one capable of blanket dismissing the other side.
  - ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y ago
    Navalny was an activist who organized large protests against the government, ran for office several times, and investigated corruption, mostly concerning money flows between government officials, oligarchs, their companies and properties, etc. The worst crime he was ever charged with was embezzlement and fraud. Assange is a hacker who's indiscriminately leaked tons of classified info, much of which had little to do with corruption like the unredacted cables and the Vault 7 documents. He's (allegedly) conspired with Chelsea Manning and Lulzsec to basically get whatever he can get his hands on [1][2]. btw, Navalny died in a penal colony serving a 19 year sentence. Chelsea got out after 7. [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-com... [2] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-superseding-indictment https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-sup...
    - riehwvfbk 3y ago
      But now we are comparing, whereas before it was just deemed not possible. Navalny also collaborated with Hristo Grozev on OSINT projects (which are probably whitewashed CIA intelligence). He went through a leadership training program at Yale, similar to the other US-installed politicians in the post-Soviet sphere (Sandu, Saakashvili, etc). And who knows, he could have gotten out after 7 years? I'm actually appalled at the way the Russian government acted here, but let's not pretend the US government is all nice and fuzzy and always plays by the rules. Even when the rules are their own.