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> Specifically, each PDS will be able to host 10 accounts and limited to 1500 evts/hr and 10,000 evts/day Can't have anyone competing with you, after all!

mschuster91 3y ago
Basic anti-spam. Just look on Mastodon (and the thankless job of many instance mods) or on how Twitter gets overrun with porn, crypto, crypto scam or troll bots...
- Repulsion9513 3y ago
  Ah yes, incredibly low limits with no way to say "hey look we're quality, let us do more". That's "basic anti-spam". Sure. It's actually "you can host yourself and your friends but anyone who doesn't know someone with a server and technical knowledge must use our platform"
  - jakebsky 3y ago
    These are just the initial limits while we work out any issues. It'd be bad for everyone if the network was immediately overrun with spammers launching PDS hosts with millions of fake users/posts, etc. Even though our infra might be able to weather this kind of abuse, there are many independent feed generators (custom algorithms) operated by individuals that would likely fall over. The plan is to increase limits sufficiently to account for all legitimate usage. (It's also worth pointing out that these limits only apply to our Relay service. The expectation is that there will be other Relays on the network in the future.)
  - x-complexity 3y ago
    > Ah yes, incredibly low limits with no way to say "hey look we're quality, let us do more". That's "basic anti-spam". Sure. Then please suggest how they can remedy this problem without giving spammers the same opportunity. - Requiring upfront financial commitments would deter most low-yield spams, at the cost of raising requirements for running your own node - Domain-based filtering likely works for this, but this brings back in the topic of censorship (see Mastadon's domain blocking) > It's actually "you can host yourself and your friends but anyone who doesn't know someone with a server and technical knowledge must use our platform" You're complaining about the immediate first steps and how it doesn't immediately land on the moon. Simplifying the deployment process for everyone else still takes time. At minimum: - Purchasing gateway for a custom domain name (requires partnerships with domain name sellers) - Server/Compute+DB rental gateway (because the average normal person doesn't have the hardware to run the service 24/7, nor do they want to know about Linux) - Togglable automatic updates to the federation service Each simplification would require effort on the devs & partners to setup & maintain.
- donio 3y ago
  For what its worth I've yet to see any spam at all in my Mastodon feeds (regular user for about a year, accounts on multiple instances). Much respect to the admins for staying on top of it.

mschuster91 3y ago

Basic anti-spam. Just look on Mastodon (and the thankless job of many instance mods) or on how Twitter gets overrun with porn, crypto, crypto scam or troll bots...

Repulsion9513 3y ago
Ah yes, incredibly low limits with no way to say "hey look we're quality, let us do more". That's "basic anti-spam". Sure. It's actually "you can host yourself and your friends but anyone who doesn't know someone with a server and technical knowledge must use our platform"
- jakebsky 3y ago
  These are just the initial limits while we work out any issues. It'd be bad for everyone if the network was immediately overrun with spammers launching PDS hosts with millions of fake users/posts, etc. Even though our infra might be able to weather this kind of abuse, there are many independent feed generators (custom algorithms) operated by individuals that would likely fall over. The plan is to increase limits sufficiently to account for all legitimate usage. (It's also worth pointing out that these limits only apply to our Relay service. The expectation is that there will be other Relays on the network in the future.)
- x-complexity 3y ago
  > Ah yes, incredibly low limits with no way to say "hey look we're quality, let us do more". That's "basic anti-spam". Sure. Then please suggest how they can remedy this problem without giving spammers the same opportunity. - Requiring upfront financial commitments would deter most low-yield spams, at the cost of raising requirements for running your own node - Domain-based filtering likely works for this, but this brings back in the topic of censorship (see Mastadon's domain blocking) > It's actually "you can host yourself and your friends but anyone who doesn't know someone with a server and technical knowledge must use our platform" You're complaining about the immediate first steps and how it doesn't immediately land on the moon. Simplifying the deployment process for everyone else still takes time. At minimum: - Purchasing gateway for a custom domain name (requires partnerships with domain name sellers) - Server/Compute+DB rental gateway (because the average normal person doesn't have the hardware to run the service 24/7, nor do they want to know about Linux) - Togglable automatic updates to the federation service Each simplification would require effort on the devs & partners to setup & maintain.
donio 3y ago
For what its worth I've yet to see any spam at all in my Mastodon feeds (regular user for about a year, accounts on multiple instances). Much respect to the admins for staying on top of it.